Post by ResLight on Oct 10, 2014 20:18:00 GMT -5
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Amen. -- World English.
This scripture is often presented as proof of the trinity dogma. It is presented as though there is something there that is speaking of the three alleged persons of God
Nothing here says that God is three persons; "God" in this verse represents only one person: the same person as in 2 Corinthians 1:19: 2:14; 3:4; 4:4 (2nd instance); 5:18; 11:31. Any thought of a triune God has to be imagined, assumed, added to, and read into, what Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 13:14.
See my study:
jesus.rlbible.com/?p=1055
One however, tries to allegedly make it apparent by counting the three:
1. Jesus Christ is one.
My reply:
Jesus was sent by Jehovah, speaks for Jehovah as his unipersonal God and Father, represents Jehovah, and it was the unipersonal God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who raised and glorified His Son. Jesus never claimed to be, nor do the scriptures present Jesus as, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom Jesus represents and speaks for. — Deuteronomy 18:15-22; Matthew 22:32; 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; 12:26; Luke 13:35; 20:37; John 3:2,17,32-35; 4:34; 5:19,30,36,43; 6:57; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; 20:17; Acts 2:22,34-36; 3:13-26; 5:30; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 8:6; 11:31; Colossians 1:3,15; 2:9-12; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 1:1.
Fred Sadler
2. God the Father is two.
My reply:
Yes, Paul is referring to the God and Father of Jesus as "God" -- he does not refer to the Lord Jesus Christ as "God". Only the Father is referred to as "God".
The only one being represented in 2 Corinthians 13:14 is the God and Father of Jesus. Jesus is not being represented as "God", nor is Jesus being represented as a persons of "God." The only true God who sent Jesus is a person; the Father being the only true God, and Jesus being the son of the only true God, do indeed make two persons; this does not mean that we need to imagine, assume and add to the scripture that Jesus and His God are both persons of the only true God.
Jesus' Father, Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is the only true Supreme Being who sent Jesus; Jesus speaks the words given to him from the only true Supreme Being. — Exodus 3:13,14; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; John 3:34; 5:19; 6:29; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,42; 10:36; 12:44-50; 14:10,24; 17:1,3,8; Acts 3:13-26; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 1:1,2; 1 John 4:9,10.
3. Holy Spirit thats 3.
Of course, we have no reason to imagine, assume and add to this scripture that God's Holy Spirit is a separate and distinct person of God to whom the Holy Spirit belongs.
God’s holy spirit is likened to God’s finger (as the power of God). (Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20) As the instrument of the revealing of truth, the holy spirit is likened to God’s “mouth”. (Deuteronomy 8:3; 1 Kings 8:24; 2 Chronicles 6:4; 36:12,21; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 48:3; 58:14; 62:2; Jeremiah 9:12,20; Ezekiel 33:7; Micah 4:4; Matthew 4:4; Mark 12:36; Acts 1:17; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7; 9:8; 10:15,16; 2 Peter 1:21) Are we to think of God’s finger or his mouth as a separate and distinct person of God (using trinitarian terminology)? Is your finger, or your mouth, a separate and distinct person of yourself?
There is indeed still nothing at all in 2 Corinthians 13:14, or anywhere else in the entire Bible about a triune God.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Amen. -- World English.
This scripture is often presented as proof of the trinity dogma. It is presented as though there is something there that is speaking of the three alleged persons of God
Nothing here says that God is three persons; "God" in this verse represents only one person: the same person as in 2 Corinthians 1:19: 2:14; 3:4; 4:4 (2nd instance); 5:18; 11:31. Any thought of a triune God has to be imagined, assumed, added to, and read into, what Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 13:14.
See my study:
jesus.rlbible.com/?p=1055
One however, tries to allegedly make it apparent by counting the three:
1. Jesus Christ is one.
My reply:
Jesus was sent by Jehovah, speaks for Jehovah as his unipersonal God and Father, represents Jehovah, and it was the unipersonal God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who raised and glorified His Son. Jesus never claimed to be, nor do the scriptures present Jesus as, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom Jesus represents and speaks for. — Deuteronomy 18:15-22; Matthew 22:32; 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; 12:26; Luke 13:35; 20:37; John 3:2,17,32-35; 4:34; 5:19,30,36,43; 6:57; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; 20:17; Acts 2:22,34-36; 3:13-26; 5:30; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 8:6; 11:31; Colossians 1:3,15; 2:9-12; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 1:1.
Fred Sadler
2. God the Father is two.
My reply:
Yes, Paul is referring to the God and Father of Jesus as "God" -- he does not refer to the Lord Jesus Christ as "God". Only the Father is referred to as "God".
The only one being represented in 2 Corinthians 13:14 is the God and Father of Jesus. Jesus is not being represented as "God", nor is Jesus being represented as a persons of "God." The only true God who sent Jesus is a person; the Father being the only true God, and Jesus being the son of the only true God, do indeed make two persons; this does not mean that we need to imagine, assume and add to the scripture that Jesus and His God are both persons of the only true God.
Jesus' Father, Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is the only true Supreme Being who sent Jesus; Jesus speaks the words given to him from the only true Supreme Being. — Exodus 3:13,14; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; John 3:34; 5:19; 6:29; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,42; 10:36; 12:44-50; 14:10,24; 17:1,3,8; Acts 3:13-26; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 1:1,2; 1 John 4:9,10.
3. Holy Spirit thats 3.
Of course, we have no reason to imagine, assume and add to this scripture that God's Holy Spirit is a separate and distinct person of God to whom the Holy Spirit belongs.
God’s holy spirit is likened to God’s finger (as the power of God). (Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20) As the instrument of the revealing of truth, the holy spirit is likened to God’s “mouth”. (Deuteronomy 8:3; 1 Kings 8:24; 2 Chronicles 6:4; 36:12,21; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 48:3; 58:14; 62:2; Jeremiah 9:12,20; Ezekiel 33:7; Micah 4:4; Matthew 4:4; Mark 12:36; Acts 1:17; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7; 9:8; 10:15,16; 2 Peter 1:21) Are we to think of God’s finger or his mouth as a separate and distinct person of God (using trinitarian terminology)? Is your finger, or your mouth, a separate and distinct person of yourself?
There is indeed still nothing at all in 2 Corinthians 13:14, or anywhere else in the entire Bible about a triune God.
