Post by ResLight on Mar 10, 2014 16:33:52 GMT -5
The claim is being made that Jesus never said he was going to die for our sins; that this Paul's drama, Paul's "politic". It is claimed that Paul, not Jesus, said Jesus died for our sins and that Paul "highjacked the way of God."
My reply:
I do not know if you believe that Isaiah 53 is a prophecy concerning the prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Acts 3:13-26), but I do. It was foretold of him that "he was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought our peace was on him; and by his wounds we are healed." And, "Jehovah has laid on him the iniquity of us all." (Isaiah 53:5,6) And the prophet continues: "He poured out his soul to death, and was numbered with the transgressors: yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." -- Isaiah 53:12
And Daniel (9:26) said, "Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself." And Zechariah (13:1) said, "There shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and uncleanness." Then they told of his glorious reign, saying, "When you will make his soul an offering for sin,....the pleasure of Jehovah will prosper in his hand," "He will swallow up death in victory." -- Isaiah 53:10; 25:8.
Seeing that Isaiah had foreold that the Messiah would give his soul as offering for sin, Jesus stated he had come "give his soul as a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45) At his "last supper", Jesus stated concerning the bread, which represented his body: "This is my body which is given for you." (Luke 22:19) And concerning his blood (which represents his human soul -- his sentiency as a human being -- Leviticus 17:11), he said: "This cup is the new covenant in by blood, that which is poured out for you." (Luke 22:20; Isaiah 53:12) Thus, according to the Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus certainly believed that he was to die for our sins.
The apostle John also recorded that John the Baptist declared of his cousin: "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29; see Numbers 6:14) In harmony with this,. John recorded Jesus' words: "the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world." (John 6:51) Thus, John adds his testimony that Jesus believed that he was to die for the sin of the world, as he also stated that God "sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins." (1 John 4:10) However, he also stated that Jesus "is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2) This agrees with what John recorded Jesus as saying in John 12:47: "If anyone listens to my sayings, and doesn't believe, I don't judge him. For I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."
Peter likewise stated: "Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (1 Peter 3:18) And, "Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow his steps, who did not sin, "neither was deceit found in his mouth." Who, when he was reviled, didn't revile back. When he suffered, didn't threaten, but committed himself to him who judges righteously; who his own self bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live to righteousness; by whose stripes you were healed." -- 1 Peter 2:21-24; Isaiah 53:5.
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My reply:
I do not know if you believe that Isaiah 53 is a prophecy concerning the prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Acts 3:13-26), but I do. It was foretold of him that "he was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought our peace was on him; and by his wounds we are healed." And, "Jehovah has laid on him the iniquity of us all." (Isaiah 53:5,6) And the prophet continues: "He poured out his soul to death, and was numbered with the transgressors: yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." -- Isaiah 53:12
And Daniel (9:26) said, "Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself." And Zechariah (13:1) said, "There shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and uncleanness." Then they told of his glorious reign, saying, "When you will make his soul an offering for sin,....the pleasure of Jehovah will prosper in his hand," "He will swallow up death in victory." -- Isaiah 53:10; 25:8.
Seeing that Isaiah had foreold that the Messiah would give his soul as offering for sin, Jesus stated he had come "give his soul as a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45) At his "last supper", Jesus stated concerning the bread, which represented his body: "This is my body which is given for you." (Luke 22:19) And concerning his blood (which represents his human soul -- his sentiency as a human being -- Leviticus 17:11), he said: "This cup is the new covenant in by blood, that which is poured out for you." (Luke 22:20; Isaiah 53:12) Thus, according to the Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus certainly believed that he was to die for our sins.
The apostle John also recorded that John the Baptist declared of his cousin: "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29; see Numbers 6:14) In harmony with this,. John recorded Jesus' words: "the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world." (John 6:51) Thus, John adds his testimony that Jesus believed that he was to die for the sin of the world, as he also stated that God "sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins." (1 John 4:10) However, he also stated that Jesus "is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2) This agrees with what John recorded Jesus as saying in John 12:47: "If anyone listens to my sayings, and doesn't believe, I don't judge him. For I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."
Peter likewise stated: "Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (1 Peter 3:18) And, "Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow his steps, who did not sin, "neither was deceit found in his mouth." Who, when he was reviled, didn't revile back. When he suffered, didn't threaten, but committed himself to him who judges righteously; who his own self bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live to righteousness; by whose stripes you were healed." -- 1 Peter 2:21-24; Isaiah 53:5.
atonement.rlbible.com
