Post by ResLight on Jan 25, 2014 22:35:47 GMT -5
It has been claimed that Romans 5:12 says that we die NOT because of our lineage, but because of OUR SIN...we ALL SIN, and that what Adam passed onto us was sin, not death. It is furthered argued that death enters THROUGH sin, not heredity and thus it is because we are SINNERS that we are deserving of death, NOT because Adam sinned.
The above actually distorts what Paul was saying. Instead of all being condemned in Adam, as Paul says, it proposes billions of separate condemnations of death. It totally destroys the rest of what Paul says. This kind of thinking would mean that the death of an embryo was due to the embryo's own sin, not the sin of Adam. It would mean that a baby's death was due to the baby's own sin, not due to the sin of Adam. It would also completely do away with the entire scriptural philosophy of the ransom that Paul is actually stating, for such an idea would require a sinless person for each every person who comes under his own separate condemnation of death. Thus for 20 billions sinners, 20 billion sinless sacrifices would have to be required.
The fact that an embryo dies shows that we are condemned in Adam's sin, not due to a condemnation of death separate from Adam. The fact that many babies die right after being born, or before they could possible die for any personal sin on their part, shows that they die due to Adam's sin, not due to their own sin.
He goes on to say that we are indeed "made sinners" because of the transgression of Adam. (Romans 5:19) It is because we are "made sinners" -- made crooked (unjust, no straight -- Ecclesiastes 1:15; 7:13) due to the transgression of Adam, we do sin (Romans 5:12), being under the further bondage of corruption that God placed upon mankind due to Adam's sin.
Christ, had he sinned, would have perished eternally precisely because HE had sinned, and not owing to Adam's blood. Also, the ransom would not have covered him, because it would not be covering sin due to Adamic sinfulness, but rather his own sin. Our sins are pardoned due to the fact that Jesus blood covered those who sin due to SINFUL NATURE...which is precisely what Adam passed. Christ died for OUR SINS, not our sins through Adam. ONE MEDIATOR, Christ, NOT Adam.
Romans 5:12
dia touto hwsper di henos anthrwpou hee hamartia
THROUGH THIS AS EVEN THROUGH ONE MAN THE SIN
1223 3778_2 5618 1223 1520 0444 3588 0266
eis ton kosmon eiseelthen kai dia tees hamartias ho
INTO THE WORLD ENTERED AND THROUGH THE SIN THE
1519 3588 2889 1525 2532 1223 3588 0266 3588
thanatos kai houtws eis pantas anthrwpous ho thanatos
DEATH, AND THUS INTO ALL MEN THE DEATH
2288 2532 3779 1519 3956 0444 3588 2288
dieelthen eph hw pantes heemarton
WENT THROUGH UPON WHICH ALL THEY SINNED--
1330 1909 3739 3956 0264
-- Westcott & Hort Interlinear
The Greek transliteration shows that it is one "the sin", the one sin of Adam "through upon which all they sinned". All had sinned through the one sin of Adam. This agrees with Romans 5:19: "by one man's disobedience [the] many were made sinners." The Greek has the the definite article before "many", and should read "the many", as it does in the New American Standard Version.
Romans 5:12 - For this cause, - just as, through one man, sin into the world entered, and through sin, death, - and, so, unto all men death passed through, for that all had sinned. -- Rotherham's Emphasized Bible translation.
All had sinned and thus were under the one condemnation of death in Adam, as Paul goes on to show, "by the transgression of the one" (Romans 5:15, New American Standard -- NAS), "from one transgression" (Romans 5:16, NAS), "by the transgression of the one" (Romans 5:17, NAS), "through one transgression" (Romans 5:18, NAS), "through the one man's disobedience." -- Romans 5:19, NAS.
The above actually distorts what Paul was saying. Instead of all being condemned in Adam, as Paul says, it proposes billions of separate condemnations of death. It totally destroys the rest of what Paul says. This kind of thinking would mean that the death of an embryo was due to the embryo's own sin, not the sin of Adam. It would mean that a baby's death was due to the baby's own sin, not due to the sin of Adam. It would also completely do away with the entire scriptural philosophy of the ransom that Paul is actually stating, for such an idea would require a sinless person for each every person who comes under his own separate condemnation of death. Thus for 20 billions sinners, 20 billion sinless sacrifices would have to be required.
The fact that an embryo dies shows that we are condemned in Adam's sin, not due to a condemnation of death separate from Adam. The fact that many babies die right after being born, or before they could possible die for any personal sin on their part, shows that they die due to Adam's sin, not due to their own sin.
He goes on to say that we are indeed "made sinners" because of the transgression of Adam. (Romans 5:19) It is because we are "made sinners" -- made crooked (unjust, no straight -- Ecclesiastes 1:15; 7:13) due to the transgression of Adam, we do sin (Romans 5:12), being under the further bondage of corruption that God placed upon mankind due to Adam's sin.
Christ, had he sinned, would have perished eternally precisely because HE had sinned, and not owing to Adam's blood. Also, the ransom would not have covered him, because it would not be covering sin due to Adamic sinfulness, but rather his own sin. Our sins are pardoned due to the fact that Jesus blood covered those who sin due to SINFUL NATURE...which is precisely what Adam passed. Christ died for OUR SINS, not our sins through Adam. ONE MEDIATOR, Christ, NOT Adam.
Romans 5:12
dia touto hwsper di henos anthrwpou hee hamartia
THROUGH THIS AS EVEN THROUGH ONE MAN THE SIN
1223 3778_2 5618 1223 1520 0444 3588 0266
eis ton kosmon eiseelthen kai dia tees hamartias ho
INTO THE WORLD ENTERED AND THROUGH THE SIN THE
1519 3588 2889 1525 2532 1223 3588 0266 3588
thanatos kai houtws eis pantas anthrwpous ho thanatos
DEATH, AND THUS INTO ALL MEN THE DEATH
2288 2532 3779 1519 3956 0444 3588 2288
dieelthen eph hw pantes heemarton
WENT THROUGH UPON WHICH ALL THEY SINNED--
1330 1909 3739 3956 0264
-- Westcott & Hort Interlinear
The Greek transliteration shows that it is one "the sin", the one sin of Adam "through upon which all they sinned". All had sinned through the one sin of Adam. This agrees with Romans 5:19: "by one man's disobedience [the] many were made sinners." The Greek has the the definite article before "many", and should read "the many", as it does in the New American Standard Version.
Romans 5:12 - For this cause, - just as, through one man, sin into the world entered, and through sin, death, - and, so, unto all men death passed through, for that all had sinned. -- Rotherham's Emphasized Bible translation.
All had sinned and thus were under the one condemnation of death in Adam, as Paul goes on to show, "by the transgression of the one" (Romans 5:15, New American Standard -- NAS), "from one transgression" (Romans 5:16, NAS), "by the transgression of the one" (Romans 5:17, NAS), "through one transgression" (Romans 5:18, NAS), "through the one man's disobedience." -- Romans 5:19, NAS.
