Post by ResLight on Jan 20, 2014 12:47:15 GMT -5
I posted the following in response to a video:
youtu.be/R-fvQZCZIqE
I am not with the JWs, but the word "heaven" in Revelation does not always mean the heaven where God sits on his figurative throne, or where the angels are always able to "see" the face of God. -- Psalm 11:14; Matthew 18:10.
The context of Revelation 19:1 shows that this “great multitude”, whoever they are, are in this “heaven” when Babylon the Great is destroyed, thus before or at the full end of this age. If “heaven” here refers to the heavens where God’s throne is, then to fit this scenario the great multitude would need to be resurrected to a spirit life sometime before the destruction of Babylon the Great, before Satan is abyssed, and Babylon the Great would also evidently have to be in heaven where God’s throne is before the end of the age, and where the angels see the face of Yahweh. We find no scriptural support for such ideas. Therefore the conclusion is that the words “in heaven” refer to their religious standing in the figurative ecclesiastical heavens, not the heavens where God’s throne is.
The present “heaven”, that now is, which relates to the religious elements of mankind, however, is to pass away. (Revelation 21:1; 2 Peter 3:7,12) While this great multitude is yet among the sectarianism of Babylon the Great, they have consecrated themselves to God. In this position, many Christians today of many diferent denominations, nations and tribes, are now proclaiming their salvation in Christ. Nevertheless, they are still to a great degree being deceived by the sectarianism that exists all around them (Revelation 13:14); it is only after this sectarianism is destroyed in the great tribulation and Satan is abyssed, that they will be able to see beyond the deceptions of Satan (Revelation 12:9; 13:14), and then the Lamb will lead them to the waters of life, which Isaiah 25 shows will be on the earth, not in heaven where God's throne is. -- Isaiah 25:6-8; Revelation 7:14-17; 20:1-3.
See also:
The Great Multitude
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I have edited this and reposted it:
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youtu.be/R-fvQZCZIqE
I am not with the JWs, but the word "heaven" in Revelation does not always mean the heaven where God sits on his figurative throne, or where the angels are always able to "see" the face of God. -- Psalm 11:14; Matthew 18:10.
The context of Revelation 19:1 shows that this “great multitude”, whoever they are, are in this “heaven” when Babylon the Great is destroyed, thus before or at the full end of this age. If “heaven” here refers to the heavens where God’s throne is, then to fit this scenario the great multitude would need to be resurrected to a spirit life sometime before the destruction of Babylon the Great, before Satan is abyssed, and Babylon the Great would also evidently have to be in heaven where God’s throne is before the end of the age, and where the angels see the face of Yahweh. We find no scriptural support for such ideas. Therefore the conclusion is that the words “in heaven” refer to their religious standing in the figurative ecclesiastical heavens, not the heavens where God’s throne is.
The present “heaven”, that now is, which relates to the religious elements of mankind, however, is to pass away. (Revelation 21:1; 2 Peter 3:7,12) While this great multitude is yet among the sectarianism of Babylon the Great, they have consecrated themselves to God. In this position, many Christians today of many diferent denominations, nations and tribes, are now proclaiming their salvation in Christ. Nevertheless, they are still to a great degree being deceived by the sectarianism that exists all around them (Revelation 13:14); it is only after this sectarianism is destroyed in the great tribulation and Satan is abyssed, that they will be able to see beyond the deceptions of Satan (Revelation 12:9; 13:14), and then the Lamb will lead them to the waters of life, which Isaiah 25 shows will be on the earth, not in heaven where God's throne is. -- Isaiah 25:6-8; Revelation 7:14-17; 20:1-3.
See also:
The Great Multitude
binfo.rlbible.com/?p=56
I have edited this and reposted it:
binfo.rlbible.com/?p=56
