Post by bornagainchristian on Sept 20, 2013 3:15:34 GMT -5
SON OF GOD AND DESCENDANT OF DAVID
Romans 1:1-4 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 1 From Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle and appointed to spread the Good News of God. 2 (God had already promised this Good News through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures. 3 This Good News is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In his human nature he was a descendant of David. 4 In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God. This was shown in a powerful way when he came back to life.
THE SON IN HIS HUMAN NATURE WAS A DESCENDANT OF DAVID (HUMANITY) THE SON IN HIS SPIRITUAL HOLY NATURE WAS THE SON OF GOD (DEITY)
Romans 1:1-4 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 1 From Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle and appointed to spread the Good News of God. 2 (God had already promised this Good News through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures. 3 This Good News is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In his human nature he was a descendant of David. 4 In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God. This was shown in a powerful way when he came back to life.
THE SON IN HIS HUMAN NATURE WAS A DESCENDANT OF DAVID (HUMANITY) THE SON IN HIS SPIRITUAL HOLY NATURE WAS THE SON OF GOD (DEITY)
Not a word in Romans 1 about any alleged idea that Jesus possesses two different levels of being at once. No such idea is ever once at all presented, not in Romans 1, or any place else in the Bible. Jesus was indeed, according to the flesh, reckoned the son of David through both the lineage of both Joseph and Mary; and yet, at the same time, he was also the Son of God. This does not at all mean that Jesus was both the Supreme Being and also a human being at the same time.
Post by bornagainchristian on Sept 24, 2013 2:31:49 GMT -5
The verses are clear that Jesus being the Son of God is his spiritual holy nature (Divine Nature). It is clear that while he was in his human nature being the descendant of David, he was also the Son of God at the same time. THEREFORE, HE IS DIVINE AND HUMAN AT THE SAME TIME.
IN FACT, IT WAS PROVEN WHEN HE CAME BACK TO LIFE Romans 1:1-4 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 1 From Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle and appointed to spread the Good News of God. 2 (God had already promised this Good News through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures. 3 This Good News is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In his human nature he was a descendant of David. 4 In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God. This was shown in a powerful way when he came back to life.
The verses are clear that Jesus being the Son of God is his spiritual holy nature (Divine Nature). It is clear that while he was in his human nature being the descendant of David, he was also the Son of God at the same time. THEREFORE, HE IS DIVINE AND HUMAN AT THE SAME TIME.
IN FACT, IT WAS PROVEN WHEN HE CAME BACK TO LIFE Romans 1:1-4 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 1 From Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle and appointed to spread the Good News of God. 2 (God had already promised this Good News through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures. 3 This Good News is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In his human nature he was a descendant of David. 4 In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God. This was shown in a powerful way when he came back to life.
Romans 1:1 paulos doulos ieesou christou kleetos apostolos PAUL SLAVE OF JESUS CHRIST, CALLED APOSTLE, 3972 1401 2424 5547 2822 0652 aphwrismenos eis euaggelion theou HAVING BEEN DEFINED OFF INTO GOOD NEWS OF GOD 0873 1519 2098 2316 Romans 1:2 ho proepeeggeilato dia twn propheetwn autou WHICH HE PROMISED AFORETIME THROUGH THE PROPHETS OF HIM 3739 4279 1223 3588 4396 0846_3 en graphais hagiais IN SCRIPTURES HOLY 1722 1124 0039 Romans 1:3 peri tou huiou autou tou genomenou ek ABOUT THE SON OF HIM, OF THE (ONE) HAVING COME TO BE OUT OF 4012 3588 5207 0846_3 3588 1096 1537 spermatos daueid kata sarka SEED OF DAVID ACCORDING TO FLESH, 4690 1160_5 2596 4561 Romans 1:4 tou horisthentos huiou theou en dunamei OF THE (ONE) HAVING BEEN DEFINED SON OF GOD IN POWER 3588 3724 5207 2316 1722 1411 kata pneuma hagiwsunees ex anastasews ACCORDING TO SPIRIT OF HOLINESS OUT OF RESURRECTION 2596 4151 0042 1537 0386 nekrwn ieesou christou tou kuriou heemwn OF DEAD (ONES), OF JESUS CHRIST OF THE LORD OF US, 3498 2424 5547 3588 2962 1473_
There is nothing in any of this that means that Jesus was ever was two beings -- two sentiencies -- at once. Indeed, it demonstrates just the opposite, since Jesus is not declare the Son of God in power during the days of his flesh, but rather only after his resurrection. Paul says nothing about Jesus' being on two level of beings at once.
Jesus, during the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), was indeed, flesh. As having been born of a woman into lineage of David, according the flesh, he was the promised seed, the son of David. See: The Seed of David
As having been begotten out of the death condition (Colossians 1:18; Revelation 1:5), he was no longer in the days of his flesh. (Hebrews 5:7) Note that he was the Son of God who had been begotten in the flesh (John 1:14; Romans 8:3), in which condition he was a little lower than the angels (Hebrews 2:9), having been brought from a "rich" position down to a "poor" condition, in which "poor" condition he gives his life in the flesh for our sin. -- 2 Corinthians 8:9; Matthew 20:28; 1 Timothy 2:5,6.
After his resurrection, however, he is now defined as the Son of God -- no longer in the lowly condition of the flesh -- in power, having been given the plentitude of mightiness bodily that he needs to carry out the work his God has given him to do. -- Colossians 2:9,10; Ephesians 1:3,17-23.
He was indeed, put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit. (1 Peter 3:18) Being made alive in the spirit, the days of his flesh are past. -- Hebrews 5:7.
If Jesus is still a human being, as usually claimed in the alleged "dual nature" of Christ, then we are left without a savior, for that would mean that Jesus either never sacrificed his flesh, or that he took back what he had sacrificed. http:/atonement.rlbible.com
Post by bornagainchristian on Sept 26, 2013 2:21:20 GMT -5
Reslight,
LET ME HIGHLIGHT YOUR CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS:
Not a word in Romans 1 about any alleged idea that Jesus possesses two different levels of being at once. No such idea is ever once at all presented, not in Romans 1, or any place else in the Bible. Jesus was indeed, according to the flesh, reckoned the son of David through both the lineage of both Joseph and Mary; and yet, at the same time, he was also the Son of God. This does not at all mean that Jesus was both the Supreme Being and also a human being at the same time.
There is nothing in any of this that means that Jesus was ever was two beings -- two sentiencies -- at once. Indeed, it demonstrates just the opposite, since Jesus is not declare the Son of God in power during the days of his flesh, but rather only after his resurrection. Paul says nothing about Jesus' being on two level of beings at once.
WHAT IS IT REALLY? WAS HE THE SON OF GOD DURING THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH OR WAS HE NOT?
Not a word in Romans 1 about any alleged idea that Jesus possesses two different levels of being at once. No such idea is ever once at all presented, not in Romans 1, or any place else in the Bible. Jesus was indeed, according to the flesh, reckoned the son of David through both the lineage of both Joseph and Mary; and yet, at the same time, he was also the Son of God. This does not at all mean that Jesus was both the Supreme Being and also a human being at the same time.
There is nothing in any of this that means that Jesus was ever was two beings -- two sentiencies -- at once. Indeed, it demonstrates just the opposite, since Jesus is not declare the Son of God in power during the days of his flesh, but rather only after his resurrection. Paul says nothing about Jesus' being on two level of beings at once.
You have not shown to me any thing that is contradictory in the statements I made. I assume that you are making some assumptions by which you are seeing what you believe to be contradictions, but as it is, these are not contradicting statement. Jesus did not recieve the bodily celestial glory in power until after he was raised, thus he did not possess this power while in the days of his flesh.
WHAT IS IT REALLY? WAS HE THE SON OF GOD DURING THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH OR WAS HE NOT?
Jesus was the son of the only true God before he became flesh, while he was in the days of his flesh, and after he became exalted in power. In none of this does it mean that Jesus ever possessed two levels of sentiency at once.
Post by bornagainchristian on Sept 29, 2013 3:02:24 GMT -5
Romans 1:1-4 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 1 From Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle and appointed to spread the Good News of God. 2 (God had already promised this Good News through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures. 3 This Good News is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In his human nature he was a descendant of David. 4 In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God. This was shown in a powerful way when he came back to life.
JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE TEXT AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS FROM THE TEXT: 1) IN WHAT NATURE IS JESUS THE DESCENDANT OF DAVID? 2) IN WHAT NATURE IS JESUS DECLARED THE SON OF GOD?
Romans 1:1-4 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 1 From Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle and appointed to spread the Good News of God. 2 (God had already promised this Good News through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures. 3 This Good News is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In his human nature he was a descendant of David. 4 In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God. This was shown in a powerful way when he came back to life.
JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE TEXT AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS FROM THE TEXT: 1) IN WHAT NATURE IS JESUS THE DESCENDANT OF DAVID? 2) IN WHAT NATURE IS JESUS DECLARED THE SON OF GOD?
Having already answered these questions, I will simply recap: According to the flesh, Jesus was born of a woman, and he BECAME the seed of David by this means. While he was in days of his flesh, the Son of God was a man, a little lower than the angels, nothing more, nothing less. After Jesus was put to death in the flesh, the Son of God was no longer in the days of his flesh, but was made alive in the spirit, and was then a spirit being exalted in power. Nope there is nothing in any of this that means that Jesus possessed two levels of existence at once.
This discussion is ended.
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