Post by ResLight on Aug 15, 2013 13:49:01 GMT -5
For thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I myself, even I, will search for my sheep, and will seek them out. -- Ezekiel 34:11, World English
I am the good shepherd. -- John 10:11,14, World English.
These two scriptures are being presented with the thought that, since Jesus said he is the "good shepherd", that this has to mean that Jesus is Yahweh. This, of course, overlooks the context of Ezekiel 34:11.
In Ezekiel 34, Yahweh is depicted as the shepherd of his sheep, but Ezekiel also quotes him as saying: "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd." (Ezekiel 34:23) "David" is often used in the OT to represent the coming "son of David". Jesus is the not Yahweh, but rather is he is the one that Yahweh foretold that he would "set up" over His sheep.
The word "good" in the phrase often translated as "good shepherd" is the Greek word transliterated as Kalos. It carries a variety of meanings; due the context of John 10:11,14 as well as prohecy of Ezekiel 34, the meaning more than likely was that of "genuine, approved". Jesus is the genuine, appoved shepherd whom the Yahweh has set over the sheep.
Replies to the above stated that there is "one shepherd"; that Yahweh says that he is the shepherd and that Jesus says that he is the shepherd, and that Jesus repeatedly stated that the Father sent Jesus as "the only true God."
Jesus said concerning his sheep: "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all." (John 10:29) Jesus never said that the sheep came from himself. He recognized that his sheep were given to him from the only true God who had sent him. -- John 17:3,6.
Jesus never claimed to be sent "as" the only true God; he did say that the only true God had sent him. -- John 17:3.
The "one shepherd" of Ezekiel 34:23 and John 10:16 is NOT Yahweh, but rather the shepherd whom Yahweh "set up" -- appointed -- over his sheep.
John 10:11 I am the genuine shepherd. The genuine shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John 10:12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who doesn't own the sheep, sees the wolf coming, leaves the sheep, and flees. The wolf snatches the sheep, and scatters them.
John 10:13 The hired hand flees because he is a hired hand, and doesn't care for the sheep.
John 10:14 I am the genine shepherd. I know my own, and I'm known by my own;
In context, Jesus is the geniune shepherd as compared to the false shepherds, who did not lay thier lives for the sheep.
Yes, the "one shepherd" whom the Most High Shepherd appointed over his sheep is Jesus.
Ezekiel 34:20 Therefore thus says the Lord Yahweh to them: Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep.
Ezekiel 34:21 Because you thrust with side and with shoulder, and push all the diseased with your horns, until you have scattered them abroad;
Ezekiel 34:22 therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.
Ezekiel 34:23 I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Ezekiel 34:24 I, Yahweh, will be their God, and my servant David prince among them; I, Yahweh, have spoken it.
"David" here is used to symbolize the Messiah, the one who prophetically stated:
"The Spirit of the Lord Yahweh is on me; because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good news to the humble; he has sent me." -- Isaiah 61:1.
It was the Lord Yahweh who sent Jesus, and whom Jesus described as being the "only true God". (John 17:3) It was the Lord Yahweh who anointed Jesus, making him both Lord and Christ (anointed) -- Acts 2:36.
Yahweh made Jesus "Lord", and thus Jesus is the "one Lord" of Yahweh's sheep as shown in Corinthians 8:6. Therefore, Jesus is that "prince among" God's sheep, having been appointed so by the Almighty Yahweh. Thus, Jesus is the "one shepherd" whom Yahweh has "set up over" his sheep. This is further verified by corresponding Isaiah 61:1 with Psalm 45:7 and Hebrews 1:9.
Nothing in this makes Jesus the Most High Shepherd, Yahweh; it was the Most High shepherd (Psalm 23:1) who "set up" Jesus as the "one shepherd" of Yahweh's sheep.
See also my study:
Jesus Knows His God
I am the good shepherd. -- John 10:11,14, World English.
These two scriptures are being presented with the thought that, since Jesus said he is the "good shepherd", that this has to mean that Jesus is Yahweh. This, of course, overlooks the context of Ezekiel 34:11.
In Ezekiel 34, Yahweh is depicted as the shepherd of his sheep, but Ezekiel also quotes him as saying: "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd." (Ezekiel 34:23) "David" is often used in the OT to represent the coming "son of David". Jesus is the not Yahweh, but rather is he is the one that Yahweh foretold that he would "set up" over His sheep.
The word "good" in the phrase often translated as "good shepherd" is the Greek word transliterated as Kalos. It carries a variety of meanings; due the context of John 10:11,14 as well as prohecy of Ezekiel 34, the meaning more than likely was that of "genuine, approved". Jesus is the genuine, appoved shepherd whom the Yahweh has set over the sheep.
Replies to the above stated that there is "one shepherd"; that Yahweh says that he is the shepherd and that Jesus says that he is the shepherd, and that Jesus repeatedly stated that the Father sent Jesus as "the only true God."
Jesus said concerning his sheep: "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all." (John 10:29) Jesus never said that the sheep came from himself. He recognized that his sheep were given to him from the only true God who had sent him. -- John 17:3,6.
Jesus never claimed to be sent "as" the only true God; he did say that the only true God had sent him. -- John 17:3.
The "one shepherd" of Ezekiel 34:23 and John 10:16 is NOT Yahweh, but rather the shepherd whom Yahweh "set up" -- appointed -- over his sheep.
John 10:11 I am the genuine shepherd. The genuine shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John 10:12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who doesn't own the sheep, sees the wolf coming, leaves the sheep, and flees. The wolf snatches the sheep, and scatters them.
John 10:13 The hired hand flees because he is a hired hand, and doesn't care for the sheep.
John 10:14 I am the genine shepherd. I know my own, and I'm known by my own;
In context, Jesus is the geniune shepherd as compared to the false shepherds, who did not lay thier lives for the sheep.
Yes, the "one shepherd" whom the Most High Shepherd appointed over his sheep is Jesus.
Ezekiel 34:20 Therefore thus says the Lord Yahweh to them: Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep.
Ezekiel 34:21 Because you thrust with side and with shoulder, and push all the diseased with your horns, until you have scattered them abroad;
Ezekiel 34:22 therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.
Ezekiel 34:23 I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Ezekiel 34:24 I, Yahweh, will be their God, and my servant David prince among them; I, Yahweh, have spoken it.
"David" here is used to symbolize the Messiah, the one who prophetically stated:
"The Spirit of the Lord Yahweh is on me; because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good news to the humble; he has sent me." -- Isaiah 61:1.
It was the Lord Yahweh who sent Jesus, and whom Jesus described as being the "only true God". (John 17:3) It was the Lord Yahweh who anointed Jesus, making him both Lord and Christ (anointed) -- Acts 2:36.
Yahweh made Jesus "Lord", and thus Jesus is the "one Lord" of Yahweh's sheep as shown in Corinthians 8:6. Therefore, Jesus is that "prince among" God's sheep, having been appointed so by the Almighty Yahweh. Thus, Jesus is the "one shepherd" whom Yahweh has "set up over" his sheep. This is further verified by corresponding Isaiah 61:1 with Psalm 45:7 and Hebrews 1:9.
Nothing in this makes Jesus the Most High Shepherd, Yahweh; it was the Most High shepherd (Psalm 23:1) who "set up" Jesus as the "one shepherd" of Yahweh's sheep.
See also my study:
Jesus Knows His God
