Post by bornagainchristian on Aug 9, 2013 2:08:50 GMT -5
ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT, ONE AND THE SAME LORD, ONE AND THE SAME GOD
Ephesians 4:4-6 New King James Version (NKJV) 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Corinthians 12:4-6 New King James Version (NKJV) 4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT, ONE AND THE SAME LORD, ONE AND THE SAME GOD
Ephesians 4:4-6 New King James Version (NKJV) 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Corinthians 12:4-6 New King James Version (NKJV) 4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
Very good. Yes, there is only one spirit that is the center of influence in the church, and the one God who has appointed only one Lord over the church. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus. -- Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 8:6.
Post by bornagainchristian on Sept 8, 2013 2:51:35 GMT -5
Reslight,
Questions: 1) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit; how many spirits? Are they three different spirits? If yes, then show me a verse where it says that "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different spirits." 2) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit; how many Lords? Are they three different Lords? If yes, then show me a verse where it says that "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different Lords." 3) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit; how many Gods? Are they three different Gods? If yes, then show me a verse where it says that "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different Gods."
Questions: 1) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit; how many spirits? Are they three different spirits?
Jesus and his God and Father are two different spirit beings, if that is what is being asked. God's Holy Spirit is spirit in that it is the power of God to accomplish his purposes. The word spirit in the Bible is not always used to mean God's Holy Spirit. life.rlbible.com/?p=12
There is only one "spirit" that is God's Holy Spirit. While God has given His Holy Spirit to Jesus, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. While God's Holy Spirit is, in effect, an extension of God, God's Holy Spirit is not fully all that God is.
If yes, then show me a verse where it says that "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different spirits."
The default reasoning based on what is given in the Bible does not need to be expressly stated.
The Father is spirit in substance and the Son is now a spirit in substance. Likewise, the joint-heirs with Christ will be spirit in substance when they are raised in the resurrection.* Their being spirit in substance, however, should not be confused with God's Holy Spirit.
2) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit; how many Lords? Are they three different Lords?
There are indeed "many lords" not just three. (1 Corinthians 8:5) The Lord Yahweh, however, has only set "one Lord" to be over the church. -- Isaiah 61:1; Ezekiel 34:23,24; John 10:14-16,29; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Philippians 2:9,10; Colossians 2:9,10.
If yes, then show me a verse where it says that "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different Lords."
Although I do not know of any scripture that expressly refers to God's Holy Spirit as "Lord", since the scriptures do present the Lord Yahweh as being the Lord that is higher than the Lord Jesus, and who made Jesus "lord", the default reasoning is that the Lord Yahweh and the Lord Jesus are two different lords. -- Isaiah 61:1; Acts 2:36.
3) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit; how many Gods? Are they three different Gods?
There is only one true God [Supreme Being, the source of all mightiness]. There are many, however, who are gods, mighty ones, who receive thier power and authority from the only true God.
Post by bornagainchristian on Oct 10, 2013 20:33:21 GMT -5
How come you don't find anywhere in the bible that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different spirits?
How come you don't find anywhere in the bible that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different Lords? Or at least two different Lords for the Father and the Son, if you don't believed that the Holy Spirit is Lord?
How come you don't find anywhere in the bible that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different Gods? Or at least two different Gods for the Father and the Son, if you don't believed that the Holy Spirit is God?
How come you don't find anywhere in the bible that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different spirits?
Why would any Bible writer be expected to write such? This simply rewords the earlier question asked; see my earlier response. reslight.boards.net/post/764
How come you don't find anywhere in the bible that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different Lords?
Or at least two different Lords for the Father and the Son, if you don't believed that the Holy Spirit is Lord?
Again, this rehashes the question to which I have already responded.
I don't know of any scripture that refers to God's Holy Spirit as being a lord, although, in a sense, in that God's Holy Spirit is essentially the outworking of the Lord Yahweh, indirectly it would a "lord", since Yahweh is the Supreme Lord over all.
Jesus as "Lord", however, is distinguished from the Supreme Lord Yahweh in the following scriptures: Ezekiel 34:23,24; Isaiah 61:1; Psalm 45:7; John 10:29; Acts 2:36; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; Hebrews 1:9.
The default reasoning is that Jesus is not Yahweh who made Jesus "lord", and thus that Jesus is not the Supreme Lord Yahweh.
How come you don't find anywhere in the bible that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different Gods? Or at least two different Gods for the Father and the Son, if you don't believed that the Holy Spirit is God?
There is only one Supreme Being; thus there is only who the only true God. (John 17:1,3; 1 Corinthians 8:6) Usage of the Hebrew and Greek words for "god" of others who are not the only true God must be of a more generl meaning, mighty, mighty ones, who are not the Source of all might. This includes Jesus, himself, since it was the only true God who sent Jesus.