Post by ResLight on Jul 30, 2013 19:59:44 GMT -5
One has presented the following translation with the claim that the reader can read the scripture itself and make up his/her own mind about whether it saying that Jesus is God or not.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
Philippians 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Philippians 2:8
And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death — even death on a cross!
Philippians 2:9
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
Philippians 2:10
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Philippians 2:11
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. -- New International Version.
It really appears as though the translators of the above version do not actually wish for the reader to think for themselves since it asserts something in verses 6 and 7 that is not at all apparent from the Greek. By inserting later trinitarian terminology into what Paul said, the reader will, of course, be led to assume that Paul was referring to the trinity and the trinitarian’s alleged “dual natures” of Jesus when in fact Paul says nothing of such.
Philippians 2:6
hos en morphee theou huparchwn ouch harpagmon
WHO IN FORM OF GOD EXISTING NOT SNATCHING
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HE CONSIDERED THE TO BE EQUAL (THINGS) TO GOD,
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Philippians 2:7
alla heauton ekenwsen morpheen doulou labwn en
BUT HIMSELF HE EMPTIED FORM OF SLAVE HAVING TAKEN, IN
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homoiwmati anthrwpwn genomenos
LIKENESS OF MEN HAVING BECOME;
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Philippians 2:8
kai scheemati heuretheis hws anthrwpos etapeinwsen
AND TO FASHION HAVING BEEN FOUND AS MAN HE MADE LOWLY
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heauton genomenos hupeekoos mechri thanatou
HIMSELF HAVING BECOME OBEDIENT UNTIL DEATH,
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thanatou de staurou
OF DEATH BUT OF STAKE;
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A better rendering is found in the New American Standard:
Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Philippians 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Philippians 2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
“God”, throughout the letters to the Philippians, designates only person, that is, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus. Likewise, in the expression “form of God”, it should be apparent that “God” is speaking of one person, which is demonstrated by the phrase following, for “equal to God” would mean that Jesus is not “God”, but that “God” is referring to only one person, that is, the Father. This can be clearly seen from Philippians 2:9,11.
The basic meaning of morphe is “external appearance”, and in Philippians 2:6-8 it is being used as a near synonym to “homoiwmati” (likeness - see Romans 8:3), and “scheemati” (fashion). Jesus was in the likeness, external appearance, of other men, but he was not actually of this world, since God especially prepared his body. (Hebrews 10:5) Unlike other men, Jesus was not born under the condemnation of sin that is upon the world through Adam. (Romans 5:12-19) Nevertheless, Jesus did suffer as though he were a sinner like other men, and thus he had a likeness of being the same as any other man of sinful flesh. (Romans 8:3) Likewise, he, while in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), had the likeness and appearance of being in bondage to sin the same as all men are bond-servants, since he suffered, even to death on a stauros, as though he were a sinner.
What we do not find presented anywhere in Philippians 2:5-11 is any concept of a triune God, that “God” is more than one person, or that “God’ is three persons. Such has to imagined and assumed, and then added to, and read into what Paul wrote. As Peter wrote concerning Paul’s letters: “In those are some things hard to be understood.” (2 Peter 3:16) If they were hard to understand in the first century, how much more so after centuries of apostasy that has led away from the “faith that once delivered” in the first century. (Jude 1:3) So much so that Jesus stated concerning the time of his return: “will he, after all, find the faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8, Rotherham) Thus, I believe that all Christians, some more, some less, are still affected by the apostasy.
For further, see my studies:
The Unipersonal God Exalted Jesus
jesus.rlbible.com/?p=3493
Philippians 2:6,7 and the Greek Morphe
jesus.rlbible.com/?p=3490
Philippians 2:5-11 – Humility of Mind
jesus.rlbible.com/?p
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
Philippians 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Philippians 2:8
And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death — even death on a cross!
Philippians 2:9
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
Philippians 2:10
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Philippians 2:11
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. -- New International Version.
It really appears as though the translators of the above version do not actually wish for the reader to think for themselves since it asserts something in verses 6 and 7 that is not at all apparent from the Greek. By inserting later trinitarian terminology into what Paul said, the reader will, of course, be led to assume that Paul was referring to the trinity and the trinitarian’s alleged “dual natures” of Jesus when in fact Paul says nothing of such.
Philippians 2:6
hos en morphee theou huparchwn ouch harpagmon
WHO IN FORM OF GOD EXISTING NOT SNATCHING
3739 1722 3444 2316 5224 5225 3756 0725
heegeesato to einai isa thew
HE CONSIDERED THE TO BE EQUAL (THINGS) TO GOD,
2233 3588 1511 2470 2316
Philippians 2:7
alla heauton ekenwsen morpheen doulou labwn en
BUT HIMSELF HE EMPTIED FORM OF SLAVE HAVING TAKEN, IN
0235 1438 2758 3444 1401 2983 1722
homoiwmati anthrwpwn genomenos
LIKENESS OF MEN HAVING BECOME;
3667 0444 1096
Philippians 2:8
kai scheemati heuretheis hws anthrwpos etapeinwsen
AND TO FASHION HAVING BEEN FOUND AS MAN HE MADE LOWLY
2532 4976 2147 5613 0444 5013
heauton genomenos hupeekoos mechri thanatou
HIMSELF HAVING BECOME OBEDIENT UNTIL DEATH,
1438 1096 5255 3360 2288
thanatou de staurou
OF DEATH BUT OF STAKE;
2288 1161
A better rendering is found in the New American Standard:
Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Philippians 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Philippians 2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
“God”, throughout the letters to the Philippians, designates only person, that is, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus. Likewise, in the expression “form of God”, it should be apparent that “God” is speaking of one person, which is demonstrated by the phrase following, for “equal to God” would mean that Jesus is not “God”, but that “God” is referring to only one person, that is, the Father. This can be clearly seen from Philippians 2:9,11.
The basic meaning of morphe is “external appearance”, and in Philippians 2:6-8 it is being used as a near synonym to “homoiwmati” (likeness - see Romans 8:3), and “scheemati” (fashion). Jesus was in the likeness, external appearance, of other men, but he was not actually of this world, since God especially prepared his body. (Hebrews 10:5) Unlike other men, Jesus was not born under the condemnation of sin that is upon the world through Adam. (Romans 5:12-19) Nevertheless, Jesus did suffer as though he were a sinner like other men, and thus he had a likeness of being the same as any other man of sinful flesh. (Romans 8:3) Likewise, he, while in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), had the likeness and appearance of being in bondage to sin the same as all men are bond-servants, since he suffered, even to death on a stauros, as though he were a sinner.
What we do not find presented anywhere in Philippians 2:5-11 is any concept of a triune God, that “God” is more than one person, or that “God’ is three persons. Such has to imagined and assumed, and then added to, and read into what Paul wrote. As Peter wrote concerning Paul’s letters: “In those are some things hard to be understood.” (2 Peter 3:16) If they were hard to understand in the first century, how much more so after centuries of apostasy that has led away from the “faith that once delivered” in the first century. (Jude 1:3) So much so that Jesus stated concerning the time of his return: “will he, after all, find the faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8, Rotherham) Thus, I believe that all Christians, some more, some less, are still affected by the apostasy.
For further, see my studies:
The Unipersonal God Exalted Jesus
jesus.rlbible.com/?p=3493
Philippians 2:6,7 and the Greek Morphe
jesus.rlbible.com/?p=3490
Philippians 2:5-11 – Humility of Mind
jesus.rlbible.com/?p
