Post by ResLight on Jul 21, 2013 10:23:22 GMT -5
Some trinitarians claim that Jesus' words in John 17:5 shows the eternality of Jesus, by which they claim that Jesus has always been in all eternity past.
Actually, John 17:5 points to the time before the world of mankind (John 1:10) had been made; it does not say anything about Jesus' having no beginning, or that he existed for eternity past. Such a thought has to be imagined, assumed and added to the what Jesus stated.
The "world" in John 17:5 refers to the same "world" in John 1:10 and Romans 5:12. This "world" did not recognize who the Logos was. However, this "world" that did not recognize who Jesus was does not include the angels, for even the demons recognized who Jesus was. (Mark 5:7: Luke 8:28) Thus, the world into which the Logos came pertains only to the world of mankind, which came into existence after the creation of the spirit beings in heaven. Job 38:4-7 lets us know that the spirit sons of God were already in existence at the "beginning" referred to in Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1.
See the studies:
Beginnings in the Bible
The Six Days of Creation
Did Jesus Have a Beginning?
In the Beginning
What Beginning?
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Something I have found very helpful in my study of the Bible is Jay Green's Interlinear Bible. Although the NT is based on the so-called Textus Receptus, the Old Testament is based on the Masoretic text. The interlinear is similar to the Diaglott, except that Strong's numbers are also provided for each Hebrew and Greek word, which allows one to able to look easily up the meaning of the word in any Hebrew or Greek dictionary that uses Strong's numbering system. This Bible not only would make a fine addition for your own library, but it also makes a nice gift for any Bible Student. Click HERE for more information.
Actually, John 17:5 points to the time before the world of mankind (John 1:10) had been made; it does not say anything about Jesus' having no beginning, or that he existed for eternity past. Such a thought has to be imagined, assumed and added to the what Jesus stated.
The "world" in John 17:5 refers to the same "world" in John 1:10 and Romans 5:12. This "world" did not recognize who the Logos was. However, this "world" that did not recognize who Jesus was does not include the angels, for even the demons recognized who Jesus was. (Mark 5:7: Luke 8:28) Thus, the world into which the Logos came pertains only to the world of mankind, which came into existence after the creation of the spirit beings in heaven. Job 38:4-7 lets us know that the spirit sons of God were already in existence at the "beginning" referred to in Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1.
See the studies:
Beginnings in the Bible
The Six Days of Creation
Did Jesus Have a Beginning?
In the Beginning
What Beginning?
========
Something I have found very helpful in my study of the Bible is Jay Green's Interlinear Bible. Although the NT is based on the so-called Textus Receptus, the Old Testament is based on the Masoretic text. The interlinear is similar to the Diaglott, except that Strong's numbers are also provided for each Hebrew and Greek word, which allows one to able to look easily up the meaning of the word in any Hebrew or Greek dictionary that uses Strong's numbering system. This Bible not only would make a fine addition for your own library, but it also makes a nice gift for any Bible Student. Click HERE for more information.
