Post by ResLight on Jun 28, 2013 22:19:41 GMT -5
It is being claimed that Jesus is God and has a God as well, because jesus is 100% man and 100% God. The claim is that Jesus denied Himself and submitted to the Father, and that as a man he has a God, and yet, He is also God.
I assume that by "God" the only Most High is meant, and that is the way I will address it.
The scriptures no where at all at any place reveals any thought that Jesus is 100% the Most High at all, nor does it ever say that he was above the angels and at the same a human being crowned with the glory that is below the angels. Any such thought has to be imagined beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:5) and outside of the parameters of "the faith" that was delivered to the saints in the first century. -- Jude 1:3.
God has revealed his truths to Christ, who, by means of God's holy spirit reveal these truths through the apostles. The unipersonal God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Exodus 3:14,15), by means of His holy spirit, especially led the apostles into all the truths concerning Christ and what he said, and thereby the faith was delivered to the saints in the first century. (John 14:26; 16:4-13; Galatians 1:12; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Timothy 2:2; Jude 1:3) The truths revealed to the apostles and made available to us are recorded in the Bible itself. (Ephesians 3:3-12; Colossians 1:25,26; 1 John 4:6) Of course, without the holy spirit, these things that are recorded will still be a mystery to us. — Mark 4:11; 1 Corinthians 2:7-10.
Before becoming a man, Jesus was indeed GOD -- Mighty, a Mighty One (John 1:1,2), who, at that time, had a celestial bodily glory (1 Corinthians 15:39-41) similar to the THE GODS -- MIGHTY ONES - of Psalm 8:5 (Hebrews 2:7), whose bodily glory is higher than of man. This does not mean that either Jesus, or the angels, are the Most High Yahweh.
While Jesus was in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), he did not have the bodily glory -- the MIGHT -- that he had before he became flesh, for if indeed he had retained that former bodily glory, he could not have condemned sin the flesh. (Romans 8:3) While Jesus never was the Most High Yahweh (Jehovah), if he had been 100% the Most High and also 100% a man while he was in the days of his flesh, such would have actually justified sin the flesh, for it would have proven that for Adam, before he sinned, to been obedient, he would have needed to have been also the Most High while at the same he was a sinless man a little lower than the angels.
When Jesus came into the world, the only Most High provided a body for him (Hebrews 10:5), so that while he was in the condemned world, he was "of this world" (John 8:23), the "world" that Paul wrote about into which sin came through one man. (Romans 5:12-19) Jesus' being begotten as a human being (Matthew 1:20), thus, was a new creation that was separate for the old creation that has been subjected to vanity and is under a bondage of corruption as a result of Adam's sin. -- Ecclesiastes 1:2,9-18; Romans 8:20-22.
God did not provide Jesus' human body of flesh (Hebrews 10:5) so that Jesus would remain a human being for eternity. The purpose was that Jesus was to sacrifice his body of flesh (Hebrews 10:10), in order to correspondingly offset the wages of sin that came upon mankind through Adam. (Romans 5:12-19; 6:23; 1 Timothy 2:5,6) The condemnation upon Adam would have been eternal for both him and all his descendants had Jesus not offered himself to pay that condemnation, thus satisfying God's justice, so that God could be found still just, while yet justifying the sinner. (Romans 3:26) Having foreknown that He would send His Son, therefore, when Adam and Eve sinned, God provided a promise of a seed of the woman (woman representing God's covenant promise -- Galatians 4:22-25; Romans 4:13) who would rectify matters. -- Genesis 3:15.
Whatever the condemnation was that was upon mankind through Adam was the wages that Jesus also would have pay to offset that condemnation. (1 Timothy 2:5,6) If that condemnation was actually eternal conscious suffering, then correspondingly, to meet those wages, Jesus would have suffer the same eternal conscious suffering. However, no scripture speaks of such as being the condemnation that was upon Adam, but rather, the condemnation was death, eternal death, except that a ransom could be found that satisfy that wages so as to lift the condemnation from Adam and who are dying in Adam. Since man, being under condemnation, could not make himself straight -- justified (Ecclesiastes 1:15, 7:13) such a price to offset this condmenation could NOT come from the old creation that is under bondage. Thus, when we read, Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3), that death was not eternal spiritual death, eternal separation from God, nor was it an eternity of suffering torture in flames of fire. Jesus eternally died in his flesh for our sins. This was what Peter said. -- 1 Peter 3:18.
Thus, Jesus, as a human being, is dead for eternity; however, as Peter stated, he was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit. After being resurrected, however, he evidently did make appearances in his former body before he ascended; it was after he ascended that he presented his sacrifice to God.
I assume that by "God" the only Most High is meant, and that is the way I will address it.
The scriptures no where at all at any place reveals any thought that Jesus is 100% the Most High at all, nor does it ever say that he was above the angels and at the same a human being crowned with the glory that is below the angels. Any such thought has to be imagined beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:5) and outside of the parameters of "the faith" that was delivered to the saints in the first century. -- Jude 1:3.
God has revealed his truths to Christ, who, by means of God's holy spirit reveal these truths through the apostles. The unipersonal God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Exodus 3:14,15), by means of His holy spirit, especially led the apostles into all the truths concerning Christ and what he said, and thereby the faith was delivered to the saints in the first century. (John 14:26; 16:4-13; Galatians 1:12; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Timothy 2:2; Jude 1:3) The truths revealed to the apostles and made available to us are recorded in the Bible itself. (Ephesians 3:3-12; Colossians 1:25,26; 1 John 4:6) Of course, without the holy spirit, these things that are recorded will still be a mystery to us. — Mark 4:11; 1 Corinthians 2:7-10.
Before becoming a man, Jesus was indeed GOD -- Mighty, a Mighty One (John 1:1,2), who, at that time, had a celestial bodily glory (1 Corinthians 15:39-41) similar to the THE GODS -- MIGHTY ONES - of Psalm 8:5 (Hebrews 2:7), whose bodily glory is higher than of man. This does not mean that either Jesus, or the angels, are the Most High Yahweh.
While Jesus was in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), he did not have the bodily glory -- the MIGHT -- that he had before he became flesh, for if indeed he had retained that former bodily glory, he could not have condemned sin the flesh. (Romans 8:3) While Jesus never was the Most High Yahweh (Jehovah), if he had been 100% the Most High and also 100% a man while he was in the days of his flesh, such would have actually justified sin the flesh, for it would have proven that for Adam, before he sinned, to been obedient, he would have needed to have been also the Most High while at the same he was a sinless man a little lower than the angels.
When Jesus came into the world, the only Most High provided a body for him (Hebrews 10:5), so that while he was in the condemned world, he was "of this world" (John 8:23), the "world" that Paul wrote about into which sin came through one man. (Romans 5:12-19) Jesus' being begotten as a human being (Matthew 1:20), thus, was a new creation that was separate for the old creation that has been subjected to vanity and is under a bondage of corruption as a result of Adam's sin. -- Ecclesiastes 1:2,9-18; Romans 8:20-22.
God did not provide Jesus' human body of flesh (Hebrews 10:5) so that Jesus would remain a human being for eternity. The purpose was that Jesus was to sacrifice his body of flesh (Hebrews 10:10), in order to correspondingly offset the wages of sin that came upon mankind through Adam. (Romans 5:12-19; 6:23; 1 Timothy 2:5,6) The condemnation upon Adam would have been eternal for both him and all his descendants had Jesus not offered himself to pay that condemnation, thus satisfying God's justice, so that God could be found still just, while yet justifying the sinner. (Romans 3:26) Having foreknown that He would send His Son, therefore, when Adam and Eve sinned, God provided a promise of a seed of the woman (woman representing God's covenant promise -- Galatians 4:22-25; Romans 4:13) who would rectify matters. -- Genesis 3:15.
Whatever the condemnation was that was upon mankind through Adam was the wages that Jesus also would have pay to offset that condemnation. (1 Timothy 2:5,6) If that condemnation was actually eternal conscious suffering, then correspondingly, to meet those wages, Jesus would have suffer the same eternal conscious suffering. However, no scripture speaks of such as being the condemnation that was upon Adam, but rather, the condemnation was death, eternal death, except that a ransom could be found that satisfy that wages so as to lift the condemnation from Adam and who are dying in Adam. Since man, being under condemnation, could not make himself straight -- justified (Ecclesiastes 1:15, 7:13) such a price to offset this condmenation could NOT come from the old creation that is under bondage. Thus, when we read, Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3), that death was not eternal spiritual death, eternal separation from God, nor was it an eternity of suffering torture in flames of fire. Jesus eternally died in his flesh for our sins. This was what Peter said. -- 1 Peter 3:18.
Thus, Jesus, as a human being, is dead for eternity; however, as Peter stated, he was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit. After being resurrected, however, he evidently did make appearances in his former body before he ascended; it was after he ascended that he presented his sacrifice to God.
