Post by ResLight on May 24, 2013 12:38:06 GMT -5
In the first part, I gave some reasons why “and from” – “kai apo” – related to the seven spirits and “Jesus Christ” cannot mean that Jesus Christ is He who is, was and is to come, not unless one would also believe that Jesus Christ is also the “seven spirits”. Nevertheless, even the latter could not be true, since the Greek does not just use the word “kai” (“and”), but it uses the expression “kai apo” (“and from”).
Nor could one apply the Hebraism of beginning a sentence or statement with “kai” to Revelation 1:4,5, since “kai apo” in either instance in Revelation 1:4,5 does NOT begin a new sentence, nor a new statement, but in both instances “and from” is relating back to the greetings, and adds more to who it is that the greetings are “from”.
The greetings, stated as “Grace to you and peace”, are distributive as being from three different sources; therefore,
(1) apo – from – “him who is and who was and who is to come”,...
(2) and (kai) the same greetings are from – apo – the seven spirits in the sight of the throne of “him who is and who was and who is coming” (who is depicted throughout Revelation as sitting on the throne); therefore the “seven spirits of God” (Revelation 1:6) are not him “who is and who was and who is to come” who sits on the throne.
(3) and (kai) the greetings are also from – apo – Jesus Christ, who also is not Him who is sitting on the throne, since Jesus is also depicted as the Lamb who was slain in Revelation 5:1,5-7 who takes the scroll from the right hand of him who sits on the throne.
“HIS THRONE”
Now, to look at the expression “his throne” in Revelation 1:4.
Revelation 1:4
iwanees tais hepta ekkleesiais tais en tee asia
JOHN TO THE SEVEN ECCLESIAS THE IN THE ASIA;
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charis humin kai eireenee apo ho wn
UNDESERVED KINDNESS TO YOU AND PEACE FROM THE (ONE) BEING
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kai ho een kai ho erchomenos kai apo twn
AND THE (ONE) WAS AND THE (ONE) COMING, AND FROM THE
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hepta pneumatwn ha enwpion tou thronou autou
SEVEN SPIRITS WHICH IN SIGHT OF THE THRONE OF HIM,
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Westcott & Hort Interlinear, as obtained from the Bible Students Library DVD
Who is “HIM” in the phrase “the throne of him”? Is it not referring back to the one who is, was and is coming? Notice the the “seven spirits” are in the sight of the One who is on the throne.
Now notice Revelation 5:1:
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the back, close sealed with seven seals. – American Standard Version.
Now notice verse six:
Revelation 1:6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures ) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth. – New American Standard.
Again, the seven spirits of God are mentioned. Who does Brother Russell identify as the One who sits on the throne in Revelation 5:1?
Brother Russell, therefore, recognizes that He who sits on the throne in Revelation 5:1 is indeed Jehovah, to which I agree, and to which, I believe, most Bible Students would also agree. However, since the scriptures reveal that he who sits on the throne is also he who is, was and is coming, his conclusion that he who is, was and is coming is Jesus, would not be in harmony with his conclusion that he who sits on the throne is Jehovah. Revelation 5:6 shows that the “seven spirits of God” are in the sight of the throne of Jehovah, and by this we can see that He who is, was, and is coming, in Revelation 1:4, is also Jehovah, and thus he who is, was and is coming is not Jesus.
Further, we should note that Revelation 5:1,5-7 distinguishes Jesus from He who sits on the throne (who is, was and is to come) as well as from being “the seven spirits of God” that that are in the sight of the throne, since the Lamb (Jesus) takes from the scroll from the right hand of the One who sits on the throne. Some of our trinitarian neighbors have claimed that Jesus is both the lamb and that he is also he who sits on the throne, and thereby claim that Jesus is Jehovah. Actually, to claim that Jesus is He who is, was and is coming, and at the same time claim that He who sits on the throne is not Jesus, but Jehovah, does not harmonize the scriptures, but makes the scriptures appear to be self-contradictory.
Consequently, since Jesus -- as the lamb that was slain -- takes the scroll from he who sits on the throne, Jesus is not He who sits on the throne, nor is Jesus “the seven spirits of God” that are in the sight of the throne of him who is, was and is to come, and therefore Jesus is not “him” to whom the throne belongs in Revelation 1:4.
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Nor could one apply the Hebraism of beginning a sentence or statement with “kai” to Revelation 1:4,5, since “kai apo” in either instance in Revelation 1:4,5 does NOT begin a new sentence, nor a new statement, but in both instances “and from” is relating back to the greetings, and adds more to who it is that the greetings are “from”.
The greetings, stated as “Grace to you and peace”, are distributive as being from three different sources; therefore,
(1) apo – from – “him who is and who was and who is to come”,...
(2) and (kai) the same greetings are from – apo – the seven spirits in the sight of the throne of “him who is and who was and who is coming” (who is depicted throughout Revelation as sitting on the throne); therefore the “seven spirits of God” (Revelation 1:6) are not him “who is and who was and who is to come” who sits on the throne.
(3) and (kai) the greetings are also from – apo – Jesus Christ, who also is not Him who is sitting on the throne, since Jesus is also depicted as the Lamb who was slain in Revelation 5:1,5-7 who takes the scroll from the right hand of him who sits on the throne.
“HIS THRONE”
Now, to look at the expression “his throne” in Revelation 1:4.
Revelation 1:4
iwanees tais hepta ekkleesiais tais en tee asia
JOHN TO THE SEVEN ECCLESIAS THE IN THE ASIA;
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charis humin kai eireenee apo ho wn
UNDESERVED KINDNESS TO YOU AND PEACE FROM THE (ONE) BEING
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1511_2
kai ho een kai ho erchomenos kai apo twn
AND THE (ONE) WAS AND THE (ONE) COMING, AND FROM THE
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hepta pneumatwn ha enwpion tou thronou autou
SEVEN SPIRITS WHICH IN SIGHT OF THE THRONE OF HIM,
2033 4151 3739 1799 3588 2362 0846_3
Westcott & Hort Interlinear, as obtained from the Bible Students Library DVD
Who is “HIM” in the phrase “the throne of him”? Is it not referring back to the one who is, was and is coming? Notice the the “seven spirits” are in the sight of the One who is on the throne.
Now notice Revelation 5:1:
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the back, close sealed with seven seals. – American Standard Version.
Now notice verse six:
Revelation 1:6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures ) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth. – New American Standard.
Again, the seven spirits of God are mentioned. Who does Brother Russell identify as the One who sits on the throne in Revelation 5:1?
But, as the Master declared, these things the Father had kept in His own power--in His own hand. He divulged them not to the angels, nor even to His dearly beloved "Only Begotten Son." We have seen how this Divine secret, Divine purpose, was symbolically represented in the scroll in the hands of Jehovah, as pictured in Revelation 5:1.
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Nevertheless the scroll of Divine purpose was still sealed and in the hand of Jehovah, up to the time that the Lamb had been slain.
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In this picture He beheld Jehovah sitting upon a Throne and holding in His right hand a Scroll written within and without and sealed with seven seals.
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Brother Russell, therefore, recognizes that He who sits on the throne in Revelation 5:1 is indeed Jehovah, to which I agree, and to which, I believe, most Bible Students would also agree. However, since the scriptures reveal that he who sits on the throne is also he who is, was and is coming, his conclusion that he who is, was and is coming is Jesus, would not be in harmony with his conclusion that he who sits on the throne is Jehovah. Revelation 5:6 shows that the “seven spirits of God” are in the sight of the throne of Jehovah, and by this we can see that He who is, was, and is coming, in Revelation 1:4, is also Jehovah, and thus he who is, was and is coming is not Jesus.
Further, we should note that Revelation 5:1,5-7 distinguishes Jesus from He who sits on the throne (who is, was and is to come) as well as from being “the seven spirits of God” that that are in the sight of the throne, since the Lamb (Jesus) takes from the scroll from the right hand of the One who sits on the throne. Some of our trinitarian neighbors have claimed that Jesus is both the lamb and that he is also he who sits on the throne, and thereby claim that Jesus is Jehovah. Actually, to claim that Jesus is He who is, was and is coming, and at the same time claim that He who sits on the throne is not Jesus, but Jehovah, does not harmonize the scriptures, but makes the scriptures appear to be self-contradictory.
Consequently, since Jesus -- as the lamb that was slain -- takes the scroll from he who sits on the throne, Jesus is not He who sits on the throne, nor is Jesus “the seven spirits of God” that are in the sight of the throne of him who is, was and is to come, and therefore Jesus is not “him” to whom the throne belongs in Revelation 1:4.
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I did find one typographical error in Romans 3:21, where 'being witnessed by the law and the prophets' is accidently duplicated, but hey, just make that a note for the publisher in the future.
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