John 1:1 - Is Jesus God Whom He Was With? (Video)

In John 1:1,2, the one who bears the name, “The Word of God” (Revelation 19:13), is definitely excluded from being “God” whom he was with (John 1:1,2), in the very fact that he is said (twice) to have been with “God”

Who was the Logos with? Jesus tells us that he had been with “the only true God” before the world of mankind had been made through him. (John 1:10; 17:3,5) Thus, the word transliterated as THEOS (GOD), as applied to the one bearing the name LOGOS of God, certainly does not mean that he was “God” whom he was, nor does it mean having the qualities exclusive to “the only true God”, for John twice emphasized that the LOGOS was with “God”.

Keeping the matter in the realm of the scriptures, comparing spiritual revealing with spiritual revealing, rather than calling upon human imagination so as to imagine and assume something beyond what is written, we should note forms of the word THEOS corresponds to forms of the Hebrew word EL. The basic meaning of EL is “might, strength, power”. It is not confined to being used of Yahweh (Jehovah) the only true God, nor even additionally to false gods, but it is also used of men, angels, and even things. When forms of the world EL are used in the Old Testament for others than Yahweh or a false deity, most translators will often render it into English not as “God, but with some form of “might”, “strength”, “power”, etc. Sometimes, translators will render it, even as applied to others than Yahweh, as “God”, or “as God”, or “gods” or “a god”, etc., even though it is not being applied to either Yahweh or false gods.

In Psalm 82:1, for instance, the KJV renders it, not as “God” or “god”, but as “mighty”, recognizing this to be referring collectively to the “gods” of Psalm 82:6; it is Yahweh who there refers to them as “gods”, and as “sons of the Most High”, although He chides them for not living up to their calling as “sons”. Jesus refers to Psalm 82:6 and, in John 10:34-36, the Hebrew plural form used in Psalm 82:6 is translated as THEOI, a plural form of THEOS. Jesus used this to illustrate that these sons of the Most High to whom the LOGOS of God came (John 1:11,12) were said to be “gods”, and thus they should have no objection to his referring to himself as the “Son of God”. – John 10:34-36.

See my study on this:
www.rlbible.com/jesus/?p=245

Nevertheless, in Genesis 31:29 of the KVJ, the word for GOD is not rendered either as “God” or “god”, but rather as “power”; likewise in Deuteronomy 28:32, the word for GOD is not rendered as “God” or “god”, but rather as “might”. And, as noted, the KJV renders the Hebrew word for “God” in Psalm 82:1, not as “God”, or as “a god”, but as “mighty.” The word for “God” is also rendered in the KJV as “mighty” in Psalm 29:1 as well as in Genesis 23:6; Exodus 9:28; Psalm 50:1; 89:6. In Ezekiel 31:11, the KJV renders the word for “God” as “mighty one.” In the margin of Exodus 15:11, a plural form of the word for “God” is given in the KJV as meaning, “or, the mighty ones”.

Consequently, applying this principle as recognized by the KJV translators to the one bearing the name LOGOS in John 1:1, we would have “the LOGOS was MIGHTY”, or “the LOGOS was a MIGHTY ONE.” It designates the glory that the LOGOS had before he became flesh as having been mighty, but since John twice emphasized that the LOGOS was with the only true God, it does not designate the LOGOS as having the qualities exclusive to the only true God whom he was with. Indeed, since it is evident from the context that John was not saying the Logos was “God” whom he was with, the default reasoning should be apply the general application of might to one bearing the name, the Logos, in John 1:1.
See my study:
www.rlbible.com/jesus/?p=2973

Whether one views the word as an adjective or a noun, it still is not saying that Jesus is the only true God whom Jesus was with.

As an adjective (which I believe is what is meant), he was “mighty” when he was with the only true God before the world of mankind was made through him. – John 1:3,10; 17:3,5.

As a noun, Jesus was “a mighty one” when he was with the only true God before the world of mankind was made through him. – John 1:3,10; 17:3,5.
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Is not the person to whom the name – the Logos of God -- is applied distinguished from his God in the book of Revelation (Revelation 1:1-6; 3:13; 5:1,6,7; Revelation 19:13), as well as in the other writings of John? – John 3:34; 8:42; 17:1,3; 20:17; 1 John 4:9,10.

Of course, he who bears the name – the Logos of God – is distinguished from his God.

I do not bear my thoughts as a name.
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God’s thoughts are not a name that either He bears as a name, or that is given to another.
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There is no mention in the Bible of anyone bearing the name, “the Logos of Christ”. Christ’s thoughts are not a name.
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Paul, in saying that Jesus is the wisdom and power of God, is not saying that Jesus is the same person as his God; in the context, he distinguishes “God” from “Jesus” as being two different persons. – 1 Corinthians 1:3,4,9,18,21,30; 3:23; 5:14; 8:6; 11:3; 15:15,27,28,57.

It should be obvious, as always, that Paul is saying that through, or by means of, Jesus, we know God’s wisdom and God’s power. – Romans 2:16; 3:4; 1 Corinthians 1:4,30; 8:6; 2 Corinthians 1:21; 2:14; 5:18,19; Ephesians 1:3; 2:10,18; Philippians 4:7.

I can agree that the person, Jesus, is both the root and offspring of David. As the offspring of David, he is Son of the man, David. Jesus becomes the root of David in the regeneration of Israel. (Matthew 19:28) Of the Messiah, we read: “Instead of thy fathers are thy sons, Thou dost appoint them for princes in all the earth.” (Psalm 45:16, Young’s Literal) Thus, the fathers of the Messiah become the children of Messiah, making Jesus the root of David as well as all those who were the faithful of old, the fathers of the Messiah.
See:
The Lord of David:
www.rlbible.com/jesus/?p=1521

As the Lamb of God, Jesus had Yahweh (Jehovah) as his shepherd. – Psalm 23:1.
www.rlbible.com/binfo/?p=227
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Yahweh did send His son to shepherd His people, Israel, if that is what is meant. – Ezekiel 34:23; Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:6.

The sheep of Jesus are given to him by the unipersonal God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Yahweh (Jehovah) is the Most High Shepherd; Jesus is the “genuine” (Greek, transliterated, Kalos, Strong’s #2570) shepherd appointed over the sheep by the Most High Shepherd, as opposed to the false shepherds. The Most High Shepherd Yahweh shepherds His sheep through, by means of the genuine shepherd whom he has appointed. — Psalm 23:1; 96:13; 98:9; Ezekiel 34:2-24; John 5:22,23; 10:11-17,29; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Romans 2:16; 14:10; 1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Corinthians 5:10.

However, only a remnant of Israel proved to be sheep in this age. – John 1:11,12; Romans 11:5.

There is nothing in John 1:10 that says that Jesus became one of his own creation. John 1:10 is clear that Jesus came into the world of mankind that God made through Jesus, that is true. It does not say that he became one of his own creation; elsewhere, however, we are told that Jesus is not of this world that was made through him. – John 8:23.

If Jesus had been a part of this creation, then he would have been under the same condemnation that this world has come to be under. – Romans 5:12-19.

Additionally, he would have been under the same subjection to vanity that this creation has been subjected to, and he would be just as crooked as all other men, and he could not have justified himself. – Ecclesiastes 1:1,14,15; 7:13; Romans 3:20; 8:20; Galatians 2:16; 3:11.

If Jesus became part that creation, he would have then been under that condemnation, and he could not therefore have been an offering for sin. Jesus, therefore, did not at all become part of the creation that had been made through Jesus, but his God prepared a body for him, and he was not begotten in the womb of Mary with the taint of Adam’s disobedience. (Matthew 1:20; Hebrews 1:10) His human creation, in other words, was actually totally apart from that creation that had come into existence through him.

See:
The Seed of David
www.rlbible.com/atonement/?p=224

Jesus could not be a high priest until after he was dead; he could not be a priest as long as he was on earth. – Hebrews 8:4.

It was not until after he was raised from the dead, and had ascended into heaven, that he could serve as high priest, and as such, present the value of his sacrifice to his God in heaven. – Hebrews 8:1; 9:24.

Isaiah 44:24 refers to the creation of the material universe; Yahweh was alone at that creation, and Jesus was not there. The "beginning" in the John 1:1 relates to the beginning of the world that was made through Jesus. That "world" -- kosmos -- is the world into which sin came through one man (Romans 5:12), and it does not include the material universe, nor does it even include the spirit creatures.

See my studies on Isaiah 44:24:
www.rlbible.com/jesus/?p=390
sonofyah.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/is-44-24/
and
The World Made Through Jesus
www.rlbible.com/defending/?p=353