Post by ResLight on Feb 27, 2024 17:14:06 GMT -5
I had some time ago made the statement: "The scriptures plainly show that only the God and Father of Jesus is the Supreme Being, the source of all."
One has responded: "So does the Trinity doctrine."
My response: If the trinity doctrine shows that only the God and Father of Jesus is the Supreme Being, and that Jesus is not the Supreme Being, that would make the trinity doctrine itself invalid, since the trinity claims that there is one God (Supreme Being) who is three persons.
I was given the following as proof of what the trinity teaches:
"the Church recognizes the Father as 'the source and origin of the whole divinity'. 'Father', 'Son', 'Holy Spirit' are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: 'He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son.' They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: 'It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds.' [Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 804.] The divine Unity is Triune." - Catechism of the Catholic Church
The above is written in somewhat vague terms as related to 1 Corinthians 8:6. There is definitely nothing that actually states that the God and Father is the only one who is the "one God" from whom are all, the Mighty One Innate. Indeed, it appears to ignore what is actually stated in 1 Corinthians 8:6 and speaks of the Father as being one who begets, as opposed to the Son who is begotten. As applied to 1 Corinthians 8:6 and other scriptures, this would still mean that the Father is the only God (Supreme Being), the source of all, and that Jesus being begotten [brought forth] of the only true God, was brought forth into being at some time and point, and that the "one God" of 1 Corinthians 8:6, anointed his Son and him the glory of being the "one Lord" through whom are all. ( -- Psalm 72;18; Isaiah 11:1-3; 61:1; Ezekiel 34:23,24; Micah 5:4; John 10:29; Acts 2:36; Romans 14:9; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 1:3,17-23) I do not believe at that this was the intent of the words written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
The reality is that the triune God concept has to be created beyond what is stated, and then many assumptions have to be created beyond what is stated, and then the concept and the related assumptions have to be added to and read into any scripture in order to make the scripture appear to be speaking of three persons as being the "one God", the one Supreme Being.
For some of my studies online related to 1 Corinthians 8:6.
One has responded: "So does the Trinity doctrine."
My response: If the trinity doctrine shows that only the God and Father of Jesus is the Supreme Being, and that Jesus is not the Supreme Being, that would make the trinity doctrine itself invalid, since the trinity claims that there is one God (Supreme Being) who is three persons.
I was given the following as proof of what the trinity teaches:
"the Church recognizes the Father as 'the source and origin of the whole divinity'. 'Father', 'Son', 'Holy Spirit' are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: 'He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son.' They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: 'It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds.' [Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 804.] The divine Unity is Triune." - Catechism of the Catholic Church
The above is written in somewhat vague terms as related to 1 Corinthians 8:6. There is definitely nothing that actually states that the God and Father is the only one who is the "one God" from whom are all, the Mighty One Innate. Indeed, it appears to ignore what is actually stated in 1 Corinthians 8:6 and speaks of the Father as being one who begets, as opposed to the Son who is begotten. As applied to 1 Corinthians 8:6 and other scriptures, this would still mean that the Father is the only God (Supreme Being), the source of all, and that Jesus being begotten [brought forth] of the only true God, was brought forth into being at some time and point, and that the "one God" of 1 Corinthians 8:6, anointed his Son and him the glory of being the "one Lord" through whom are all. ( -- Psalm 72;18; Isaiah 11:1-3; 61:1; Ezekiel 34:23,24; Micah 5:4; John 10:29; Acts 2:36; Romans 14:9; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 1:3,17-23) I do not believe at that this was the intent of the words written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
The reality is that the triune God concept has to be created beyond what is stated, and then many assumptions have to be created beyond what is stated, and then the concept and the related assumptions have to be added to and read into any scripture in order to make the scripture appear to be speaking of three persons as being the "one God", the one Supreme Being.
For some of my studies online related to 1 Corinthians 8:6.
