Post by ResLight on May 5, 2023 11:42:45 GMT -5
Isaiah 9:5 – For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom; — JPS translation. (This is Isaiah 9:6 is most Protestant translations).
Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom is the name that given to the Son of Jehovah of Host. Yes, that "name" is "his name", if "his" refers to the Son of Jehovah.
As best as I can determine, that name describes the God of the Son, it is not describing the Son Himself. This is often the case with many Hebrew names.
Isaiah 9:7 - Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. -- American Standard Version.
{Luke 1:32} He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. Jehovah God will give him the throne of his father, David,
{Luke 1:33} and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. There will be no end to his Kingdom." -- Restoration Light Improved Version.
Jehovah of Hosts is distinguished from the Son whom Jehovah gives the throne.
The strong [ELIE - a form of Strong's #410, EL] among the mighty [GIBBORIM] shall speak to him out of the midst of Sheol with those who help him: they are gone down, they lie still, even the uncircumcised, slain by the sword. -- Ezekiel 32:21, World English.
Mighty God (EL GIBBOR, in plural form, possibly plural intensive) is applied to a king or kings in Ezekiel 32:21. The King James Version and many other translations render the phrase in that verse with five words: "The strong among the mighty". I don't know of any translation that renders EL GIBBOR in Ezekiel 32:21 as "Mighty God" or "Mighty Gods". If the "name" in Isaiah 9:6 is describing the Messiah rather than the Messiah's God, Jesus is certainly a "strong one among the mighty".
Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is consistently revealed in the Bible as the God and Father of Jesus. (Isaiah 11:1-3; 61:1,2; Micah 5:4) Nowhere from Genesis through Revelation is Jehovah presented as being more than one person, nor is Jesus or God's Holy Spirit ever presented in the Bible as being persons of Jehovah. All such concepts have to be added to and read into any scripture presented.
The scriptures do present Jehovah, the God of Jesus (Micah 5:4; Ephesians 1:3), as being only one person. I do not know of any scripture that says that Jehovah is more than one person. Such an idea has to be imagined beyond what is written, and then added to and read into what is written.
The very fact that Jehovah is the God (Supreme Being) of Jesus should be enough to convince one that Jesus is not Jehovah his God. Jesus was sent by his God, Jehovah (Isaiah 61:1,2; Acts 3:13-26) to act on his behalf, and to carry out the will of His God and Father. Jesus is not his God whom he prayed to. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Psalm 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; Matthew 4:4; Matthew 4:7; Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:4; Matthew 4:7; Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:29-40; Matthew 26:42; Matthew 27:46; Mark 10:6; Mark 14:36; 15:34; Luke 4:8; Luke 22:42; John 3:34; 5:30; 6:38; 10:36; 17:1,3; 20:17; Acts 3:13-26; Romans 15:6; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 4:6; Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 1:9; 10:7; 1 Peter 1:3; Revelation 2:7; 3:2,12.
Only Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus, is presented in the Bible as being the "one God" of whom are all, and is thus the only one who is the source of all being spoken of. (1 Corinthians 8:6) The "one God" of 1 Corinthians 8:6 prepared a body of flesh and blood for his firstborn son (Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 10:5) and made Jesus a little lower than the angels so that Jesus could offer that body of flesh with its blook to his God for our sins. -- Matthew 26:26-28; Luke 22:19; Romans 3:25; Colossians 1:14; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 2:9; 9:14; 10:10; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5.
The Bible shows that it was Jesus' God, Jehovah, the "one God" of 1 Corinthians 8:6, who made Jesus both Lord (Master, Ruler) and Christ (Messiah, Anointed One). (Ezekiel 34:23,24; Isaiah 61:1,2; Acts 2:36; 1 Corinthians 8:6) It was the same "one God" of 1 Corinthians 8:6 who exalted Jesus far above all dominions, with the exception of the "one God" Himself. -- Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4,6; 1 Peter 3:22.
Based on scripture alone (without adding the many trinitarian assumptions to the Bible), the default reasoning is that Jesus is not his God, Jehovah, especially since it was Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jaocb, who sanctified and sent His firstborn son into the world of mankind. -- Isaiah 61:1; John 3:17; 5:36,37; 6:38,57; 8:42; 10:36; 17:1,3; Romans 8:3; Galatians 4:4; Colossians 1:15; 1 John 4:9-14
jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2016/09/isa9-6-mgod.html
I posted this in Facebook group in response to some statements made about Isaiah 9:6. --- Ronald R. Day (ResLight)
Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom is the name that given to the Son of Jehovah of Host. Yes, that "name" is "his name", if "his" refers to the Son of Jehovah.
As best as I can determine, that name describes the God of the Son, it is not describing the Son Himself. This is often the case with many Hebrew names.
Isaiah 9:7 - Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. -- American Standard Version.
{Luke 1:32} He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. Jehovah God will give him the throne of his father, David,
{Luke 1:33} and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. There will be no end to his Kingdom." -- Restoration Light Improved Version.
Jehovah of Hosts is distinguished from the Son whom Jehovah gives the throne.
The strong [ELIE - a form of Strong's #410, EL] among the mighty [GIBBORIM] shall speak to him out of the midst of Sheol with those who help him: they are gone down, they lie still, even the uncircumcised, slain by the sword. -- Ezekiel 32:21, World English.
Mighty God (EL GIBBOR, in plural form, possibly plural intensive) is applied to a king or kings in Ezekiel 32:21. The King James Version and many other translations render the phrase in that verse with five words: "The strong among the mighty". I don't know of any translation that renders EL GIBBOR in Ezekiel 32:21 as "Mighty God" or "Mighty Gods". If the "name" in Isaiah 9:6 is describing the Messiah rather than the Messiah's God, Jesus is certainly a "strong one among the mighty".
Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is consistently revealed in the Bible as the God and Father of Jesus. (Isaiah 11:1-3; 61:1,2; Micah 5:4) Nowhere from Genesis through Revelation is Jehovah presented as being more than one person, nor is Jesus or God's Holy Spirit ever presented in the Bible as being persons of Jehovah. All such concepts have to be added to and read into any scripture presented.
The scriptures do present Jehovah, the God of Jesus (Micah 5:4; Ephesians 1:3), as being only one person. I do not know of any scripture that says that Jehovah is more than one person. Such an idea has to be imagined beyond what is written, and then added to and read into what is written.
The very fact that Jehovah is the God (Supreme Being) of Jesus should be enough to convince one that Jesus is not Jehovah his God. Jesus was sent by his God, Jehovah (Isaiah 61:1,2; Acts 3:13-26) to act on his behalf, and to carry out the will of His God and Father. Jesus is not his God whom he prayed to. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Psalm 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; Matthew 4:4; Matthew 4:7; Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:4; Matthew 4:7; Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:29-40; Matthew 26:42; Matthew 27:46; Mark 10:6; Mark 14:36; 15:34; Luke 4:8; Luke 22:42; John 3:34; 5:30; 6:38; 10:36; 17:1,3; 20:17; Acts 3:13-26; Romans 15:6; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 4:6; Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 1:9; 10:7; 1 Peter 1:3; Revelation 2:7; 3:2,12.
Only Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus, is presented in the Bible as being the "one God" of whom are all, and is thus the only one who is the source of all being spoken of. (1 Corinthians 8:6) The "one God" of 1 Corinthians 8:6 prepared a body of flesh and blood for his firstborn son (Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 10:5) and made Jesus a little lower than the angels so that Jesus could offer that body of flesh with its blook to his God for our sins. -- Matthew 26:26-28; Luke 22:19; Romans 3:25; Colossians 1:14; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 2:9; 9:14; 10:10; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5.
The Bible shows that it was Jesus' God, Jehovah, the "one God" of 1 Corinthians 8:6, who made Jesus both Lord (Master, Ruler) and Christ (Messiah, Anointed One). (Ezekiel 34:23,24; Isaiah 61:1,2; Acts 2:36; 1 Corinthians 8:6) It was the same "one God" of 1 Corinthians 8:6 who exalted Jesus far above all dominions, with the exception of the "one God" Himself. -- Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4,6; 1 Peter 3:22.
Based on scripture alone (without adding the many trinitarian assumptions to the Bible), the default reasoning is that Jesus is not his God, Jehovah, especially since it was Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jaocb, who sanctified and sent His firstborn son into the world of mankind. -- Isaiah 61:1; John 3:17; 5:36,37; 6:38,57; 8:42; 10:36; 17:1,3; Romans 8:3; Galatians 4:4; Colossians 1:15; 1 John 4:9-14
jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2016/09/isa9-6-mgod.html
I posted this in Facebook group in response to some statements made about Isaiah 9:6. --- Ronald R. Day (ResLight)
