Post by ResLight on Nov 30, 2021 11:05:38 GMT -5
It is being claimed that there "is only a verse or two that calls the Father 'God'".
Actually, practically there are an enormous amount of verses throughout the New Testament that use the Greek word THEOS of Jesus' father. Indeed, except in a very few instances, the Greek word THEOS is almost always referring to the God and Father of Jesus.
The person gives John 8:41, evidently as being one of the one or two places where the Father is called "God." Yes, Jesus in the context shows that the one that the Jews claimed to be their God is his God and Father who sent him, and Jesus, rather than claiming to be the God of Israel, claimed that he spoke the truth which he had heard from the God of Israel. -- John 8:40,42,54.
I discussed John 8:41 briefly in my study:
The Real Reason the Jews Sought to Kill Jesusy
jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2017/03/kill.html
I was presented with the challenge to give 1 or two Bible references where the Father is called God.
Of course, in reality, one can find many, many Bible references where Jesus' God is called "Father."
The person stated, "I'm not talking about the term God the Father."
While I would certainly not restrict the term to "God the Father," the verses wherein that term is used certainly should be included in the places in the New Testament where the word THEOS is used of the God and Father of Jesus. Indeed, the word THEOS is applied to the God and Father of Jesus in the New Testament probably close to 1300 times.
It is claimed that references that Jesus is called God are overwhelming.
Actually, scriptures in the Old Testament wherein any form of the Hebrew word EL (including ELOHIM) could be thought to be used of Jesus are very few. This actually consists of only two places, Psalm 45:6 and Isaiah 9:6.
In the New Testament, the only scriptures where forms the Greek word THEOS can be seen to apply to Jesus are John 1:1,18; 20:28; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1. Some might also give Philippians 2:6, although I highly doubt that Paul meant the word THEOS to be applied to Jesus. Some might also point to John 5:18 and John 10:33, in which the lying Jews claimed Jesus to be God, a god, or equal to God or a god. There may be one or two more instances I have overlooked. Nevertheless, in comparison to the many times that forms of the word THEOS appear in the New Testament, it is only a very, very, very few times that it can be thought to apply to Jesus, and in many of these cases, it is disputed even among Bible scholars who believe in the trinity doctrine. On the other hand, almost always, except in a few instances, the word THEOS throughout the New Testament is being applied to the God and Father of Jesus.
I could say look at the entire New Testament, even comparing quotes given wherein the word THEOS appears that quoted from the Old Testament.
Who is the one person who is being referred to as ELOHIM/THEOS in Psalm 45:7; Hebrews 1:1,9?
Who is the one person who is being referred to as ELOHIM/THEOS in Isaiah 61:1,2; Galatians 1:4; Philippaisn 4:20; 1 Thessalonians 3:11?
Who is the one person who is being referred to as ELOHIM/THEOS in Micah 5:4; Revelation 1:6?
Who is the one person who is being referred to as THEOS in Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34; John 20:17; Revelation 2:7; 3:2, 12?
Who is the one person who is being referred to as "God" in Matthew 3:16?
Who is the one person who is being referred as "God" in Matthew 4:3,4,6,7,10; 8:29; 14:33; 16:16; 26:63; 27:40,43,54; Mark 1:1; 3:11; 16:39; Luke 1:35; 4:3,9,41; 22:70; John 1:34; 1:49; 3:18; 6:69; 9:35; 10:36; 19:7; Acts 9:20; Romans 1:4; 2 Corinthians 1:19; Galatians 2:20; Ephesians 4:13; Hebrews 4:14; 6:6; 7:3; 10:29; 1 John 3:8; 4:15; 5:5,10,13; 1 John 5:20; Revelation 2:18?
Indeed, I could present many, many, many more scriptures in which the words for God are applied the God and Father of Jesus.
Actually, practically there are an enormous amount of verses throughout the New Testament that use the Greek word THEOS of Jesus' father. Indeed, except in a very few instances, the Greek word THEOS is almost always referring to the God and Father of Jesus.
The person gives John 8:41, evidently as being one of the one or two places where the Father is called "God." Yes, Jesus in the context shows that the one that the Jews claimed to be their God is his God and Father who sent him, and Jesus, rather than claiming to be the God of Israel, claimed that he spoke the truth which he had heard from the God of Israel. -- John 8:40,42,54.
I discussed John 8:41 briefly in my study:
The Real Reason the Jews Sought to Kill Jesusy
jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2017/03/kill.html
I was presented with the challenge to give 1 or two Bible references where the Father is called God.
Of course, in reality, one can find many, many Bible references where Jesus' God is called "Father."
The person stated, "I'm not talking about the term God the Father."
While I would certainly not restrict the term to "God the Father," the verses wherein that term is used certainly should be included in the places in the New Testament where the word THEOS is used of the God and Father of Jesus. Indeed, the word THEOS is applied to the God and Father of Jesus in the New Testament probably close to 1300 times.
It is claimed that references that Jesus is called God are overwhelming.
Actually, scriptures in the Old Testament wherein any form of the Hebrew word EL (including ELOHIM) could be thought to be used of Jesus are very few. This actually consists of only two places, Psalm 45:6 and Isaiah 9:6.
In the New Testament, the only scriptures where forms the Greek word THEOS can be seen to apply to Jesus are John 1:1,18; 20:28; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1. Some might also give Philippians 2:6, although I highly doubt that Paul meant the word THEOS to be applied to Jesus. Some might also point to John 5:18 and John 10:33, in which the lying Jews claimed Jesus to be God, a god, or equal to God or a god. There may be one or two more instances I have overlooked. Nevertheless, in comparison to the many times that forms of the word THEOS appear in the New Testament, it is only a very, very, very few times that it can be thought to apply to Jesus, and in many of these cases, it is disputed even among Bible scholars who believe in the trinity doctrine. On the other hand, almost always, except in a few instances, the word THEOS throughout the New Testament is being applied to the God and Father of Jesus.
I could say look at the entire New Testament, even comparing quotes given wherein the word THEOS appears that quoted from the Old Testament.
Who is the one person who is being referred to as ELOHIM/THEOS in Psalm 45:7; Hebrews 1:1,9?
Who is the one person who is being referred to as ELOHIM/THEOS in Isaiah 61:1,2; Galatians 1:4; Philippaisn 4:20; 1 Thessalonians 3:11?
Who is the one person who is being referred to as ELOHIM/THEOS in Micah 5:4; Revelation 1:6?
Who is the one person who is being referred to as THEOS in Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34; John 20:17; Revelation 2:7; 3:2, 12?
Who is the one person who is being referred to as "God" in Matthew 3:16?
Who is the one person who is being referred as "God" in Matthew 4:3,4,6,7,10; 8:29; 14:33; 16:16; 26:63; 27:40,43,54; Mark 1:1; 3:11; 16:39; Luke 1:35; 4:3,9,41; 22:70; John 1:34; 1:49; 3:18; 6:69; 9:35; 10:36; 19:7; Acts 9:20; Romans 1:4; 2 Corinthians 1:19; Galatians 2:20; Ephesians 4:13; Hebrews 4:14; 6:6; 7:3; 10:29; 1 John 3:8; 4:15; 5:5,10,13; 1 John 5:20; Revelation 2:18?
Indeed, I could present many, many, many more scriptures in which the words for God are applied the God and Father of Jesus.
