Post by ResLight on May 15, 2015 21:58:22 GMT -5
No one has seen God at any time ; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. -- New American Standard.
theon oudeis hewraken pwpote monogenees theos
GOD NO ONE HAS SEEN AT ANY TIME; ONLY BEGOTTEN GOD
2316 3762 3708 4455 3439 2316
ho wn eis ton kolpon tou patros ekeinos
THE (ONE) BEING INTO THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER THAT (ONE)
3588 1511_1 1519 3588 2859 3588 3962 1565
exeegeesato
EXPLAINED.
1834
Westcott & Hort Interlinear, as obtained from the Bible Students Library DVD:
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him. -- Green's Literal Translation.
The Textus Receptus, representing the later so-called "majority" text has "only-begotten Son" in John 1:18, while the earlier manuscripts usually have "only-begotten god." Some trinitarians prefer the Textus Receptus rendering, since they would maintain that "God" was never begotten. Others like to point to John 1:18 as an instance where Jesus is called "God", and claim that it means that Jesus is a person of the Almighty God.
I believe the earlier manuscripts are probably correct in having theos in John 1:18, but I do not believe that this would mean that Jesus is the Supreme Being. The Hebraic usage of the words that are translated as "god" do not always mean "Supreme Being" or a "false god". The general meaning is that of might, strength, and is used of both angels and men to whom God has given special power or strength. In Psalm 82:1, the Hebrew word for god is rendered in the King James Version as "mighty", and is referring to men. In Psalm 82:6, the sons of the Most High are referred to as "gods" (mighty ones). Jesus referred to this as recorded in John 10:34-36, and likened himself to one of these sons of God who are called gods. He was not claiming to be the Supreme Being; nevertheless, he was, in effect, claiming to be a god, a manner similar to the way that Jehovah referred to those sons of God in Psalm 82:6 as "gods".
Nevertheless, many trinitarians agree that the earlier manuscripts are probably correct, but they would like to twist the wording in English so as to make it appear in some way that Jesus is the Supreme Being. In John 1:18, the word for "only-begotten" is usually transliterated as "monogenes". Many translators, especially trinitarian, seem to ignore the "genes" part of the word monogenes and seem to focus on the "mono" part, rendering it "The only one." Others would render the "genes" as "kind", making it "one of a kind", and thus would endeavor to explain away the "genes" as having any reference to being brought forth into existence.
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=3439
Most of these trinitarians will endeavor to apply their added-on "dual natures" of Jesus to the latter part of the verse, and claim that when it is the human being Jesus who declares the Father, not the Supreme Being Jesus. At the same time they would like to make it appear that the "only-begotten god" who declares the Supreme Being is the Supreme Being, without explanation of the apparent self-contradiction.
Nevertheless, despite the fact that many trinitarians present many kinds of arguments against the idea, "genes" (alleged to be a form of genos or genea) in "monogenes" does express being brought forth, even if it is used of a "kind". When used as a "kind" in the B ible, it is in reference to a race or people who share a common origin and development, going back to the idea of being brought forth, and thus, that at one time this "kind" did not exist. The Greek words are never used to express a kind that was never brought forth into existence, but the trinitarians would like to make an exception when it applies to Jesus, so that they may be able to get it to harmonize with their pre-conceived added-on dogma. One can do a study of the words involved:
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=3439
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=3441
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=1085
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=1074
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=1096
Nevertheless, except that one imagine and assume such, and then reads what is being imagined and assumed into the verse, there is nothing in John 1:18 about a triune God. Jesus declared his father to the be only true God (John 17:1:3), and the scriptures declare that it was Jehovah (Yahweh), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who sent Jesus, the default reasoning is that Jesus is not the God (Supreme Being) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. — Exodus 3:13,14; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; John 3:34; 5:19; 6:29; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,42; 10:36; 12:44-50; 14:10,24; 17:1,3,8; Acts 3:13-26; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 1:1,2; 1 John 4:9,10.
Additionally, it is this same only true Supreme Being of John 17:1,3 who has made Jesus to be both Lord and Christ (Ezekiel 34:23,24; Isaiah 61:1,2; Acts 2:36), and has exalted him to the highest position in the universe, next to the only Most High (Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22), thus, again, the default reasoning is that Jesus is not Jehovah (Yahweh), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
theon oudeis hewraken pwpote monogenees theos
GOD NO ONE HAS SEEN AT ANY TIME; ONLY BEGOTTEN GOD
2316 3762 3708 4455 3439 2316
ho wn eis ton kolpon tou patros ekeinos
THE (ONE) BEING INTO THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER THAT (ONE)
3588 1511_1 1519 3588 2859 3588 3962 1565
exeegeesato
EXPLAINED.
1834
Westcott & Hort Interlinear, as obtained from the Bible Students Library DVD:
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him. -- Green's Literal Translation.
The Textus Receptus, representing the later so-called "majority" text has "only-begotten Son" in John 1:18, while the earlier manuscripts usually have "only-begotten god." Some trinitarians prefer the Textus Receptus rendering, since they would maintain that "God" was never begotten. Others like to point to John 1:18 as an instance where Jesus is called "God", and claim that it means that Jesus is a person of the Almighty God.
I believe the earlier manuscripts are probably correct in having theos in John 1:18, but I do not believe that this would mean that Jesus is the Supreme Being. The Hebraic usage of the words that are translated as "god" do not always mean "Supreme Being" or a "false god". The general meaning is that of might, strength, and is used of both angels and men to whom God has given special power or strength. In Psalm 82:1, the Hebrew word for god is rendered in the King James Version as "mighty", and is referring to men. In Psalm 82:6, the sons of the Most High are referred to as "gods" (mighty ones). Jesus referred to this as recorded in John 10:34-36, and likened himself to one of these sons of God who are called gods. He was not claiming to be the Supreme Being; nevertheless, he was, in effect, claiming to be a god, a manner similar to the way that Jehovah referred to those sons of God in Psalm 82:6 as "gods".
Nevertheless, many trinitarians agree that the earlier manuscripts are probably correct, but they would like to twist the wording in English so as to make it appear in some way that Jesus is the Supreme Being. In John 1:18, the word for "only-begotten" is usually transliterated as "monogenes". Many translators, especially trinitarian, seem to ignore the "genes" part of the word monogenes and seem to focus on the "mono" part, rendering it "The only one." Others would render the "genes" as "kind", making it "one of a kind", and thus would endeavor to explain away the "genes" as having any reference to being brought forth into existence.
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=3439
Most of these trinitarians will endeavor to apply their added-on "dual natures" of Jesus to the latter part of the verse, and claim that when it is the human being Jesus who declares the Father, not the Supreme Being Jesus. At the same time they would like to make it appear that the "only-begotten god" who declares the Supreme Being is the Supreme Being, without explanation of the apparent self-contradiction.
Nevertheless, despite the fact that many trinitarians present many kinds of arguments against the idea, "genes" (alleged to be a form of genos or genea) in "monogenes" does express being brought forth, even if it is used of a "kind". When used as a "kind" in the B ible, it is in reference to a race or people who share a common origin and development, going back to the idea of being brought forth, and thus, that at one time this "kind" did not exist. The Greek words are never used to express a kind that was never brought forth into existence, but the trinitarians would like to make an exception when it applies to Jesus, so that they may be able to get it to harmonize with their pre-conceived added-on dogma. One can do a study of the words involved:
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=3439
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=3441
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=1085
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=1074
www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=1096
Nevertheless, except that one imagine and assume such, and then reads what is being imagined and assumed into the verse, there is nothing in John 1:18 about a triune God. Jesus declared his father to the be only true God (John 17:1:3), and the scriptures declare that it was Jehovah (Yahweh), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who sent Jesus, the default reasoning is that Jesus is not the God (Supreme Being) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. — Exodus 3:13,14; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Isaiah 61:1; John 3:34; 5:19; 6:29; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,42; 10:36; 12:44-50; 14:10,24; 17:1,3,8; Acts 3:13-26; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 1:1,2; 1 John 4:9,10.
Additionally, it is this same only true Supreme Being of John 17:1,3 who has made Jesus to be both Lord and Christ (Ezekiel 34:23,24; Isaiah 61:1,2; Acts 2:36), and has exalted him to the highest position in the universe, next to the only Most High (Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22), thus, again, the default reasoning is that Jesus is not Jehovah (Yahweh), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
