Post by ResLight on May 9, 2015 19:18:51 GMT -5
Was Jesus Raised in a Body of Flesh?
One has claimed, regarding Jesus having a physical body in heaven, that Jesus said does a spirit have flesh and bone as you see I have.
See my hands and my feet, that it is truly me. Touch me and see, for a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones, as you see that I have." - (Luke 24:39)
If Jesus was saying that he was not a spirit in being, then he would certainly not have been God Almighty, since God Almighty is spirit in being. (John 4:24; Colossians 1:15) Thus, if one believes that Jesus was disclaiming being a spirit being in Luke 24:39, one has call upon the imagined and assumed dual natures theory of Jesus (or hypostatic union theory) and then imagine and assume that when Jesus said the words in Luke 24:39, that it was not the alleged Supreme Being Jesus who spoke, but rather that it was the alleged human being Jesus that spoke.
First we should know that Jesus certainly could raise his body for the appearances in the locked room; however, there is no scripture that says that Jesus arose in his human body from the grave. Nevertheless, Jesus being dead and in the oblivious realm of sheol/hades while he was dead, could not raise his body until after his God had raised him from death. ( Acts 2:24; 3:13,15,26; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40; 13:34,37; 17:31; Romans 4:24; 6:10; 8:11; 10:9; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 15:15; 2 Corinthians 4:14; 13:4; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 2:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; Hebrews 5:7; 1 Peter 1:21) Jesus, in being raised from the grave, was given a body by his father as is true of all who are to be raised from the dead in the last day. (1 Corinthians 15:35-38) Jesus is not still a human being a little lower than the angels. (Hebrews 2:9) Jesus is no longer in the “days of his flesh.” (Hebrews 5:7) He is now a “life-giving spirit”. — 1 Corinthians 15:45, New American Standard translation.
Of course, spirit beings usually do not have a flesh and bone body. However, angels, who are spirits (Hebrews 1:7,14; Psalm 104;4) have appeared many times with flesh bodies. In such cases they were not flesh, but they did manifest themselves in such a way that they were called “men,” even eating and drinking. Were they actually men? No. But in their appearance, in their manifestation, they were ‘men’. — Genesis 18:2; 19:1,8,12,15; Judges 6:11-22; 13:11,20; Joshua 5:13-15.
The word "spirit" is used with different shades of meaning in the Bible. What kind of spirit was Jesus speaking of in Luke 24:39? The context, as well as other scriptures helps to see that the disciples thought him to a certain kind of spirit, a "ghost" or "phantom" spirit. --Matthew 14:26; Mark 6:49; Luke 24:37.
These "spirits" are actually demon spirits who pretend to be the "ghost" of a dead person. The spirit beings had at one time materialized a kind of human body so as to marry women here on earth. These spirit beings, however, are no longer able to do this, else we would certainly see them doing so all around us. Jesus let his disciples know that he was not one of these spirits as they thought him to be, for such spirits cannot produce a body of flesh and bones as did Jesus.
The following is a list of some of the scriptures where the Greek word for "spirit" -- often transliterated as *pneuma* -- is used of demons: Matthew 8:16; 10:1; 12:43,45; Mark 1:23,26,27; 3:11,30; 5:2,8,13; 6:7; 7:25; 9:17,20,25; Luke 4:33,36; 6:18; 7:21; 8:2,55; 9:39,42; Luke 10:20; 11:24,26; Acts 5:16; 8:7; 16:16,18; 19:12,15,16; Ephesians 6:21; 1 Peter 3:19; Revelation 16:13,14.
I have a study online related to this:
jesus-rlbible.com/?p=215
It is claimed that it was the same Jesus that went into the grave came out of the grave.
This I agree with. Also it was the same Jesus who had been with the only true God before the world of mankind had been made through him (John 1:1-3,10: 17:1,3,5) that became flesh. (John 1:14) Although Jesus did not take the name "Jesus" until he became flesh, it was still him before he became flesh, while he was in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), and after the only true God exalted him far above all dominion (excluding the Most High himself). – Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22.
It is claimed that although it was the same Jesus he was without blood after being raised.
Since the sentiency, life, soul, of the flesh is in its blood (Leviticus 17:11), Jesus did not mention blood, but he said his body was flesh and bone. Thus, the body was not actually his sentiency, but rather he, in effect, incarnated himself in that body in order to convince his disciples that it was really him. If Jesus had been still a human being, then, as defined in Psalm 8:4,5, he would still have been with bodily glory that is lower than the angels. Paul does not mix the celestial, spiritual, bodily glories with the terrestrial, physical, bodily glories, but shows that they are distinctly different. -- 1 Corinthians 15:39-41.
See my study:
With What Kind of Body Will We Be Raised?
life-rlbible.com/?p=1006
It is claimed that being raised up again from the dead means something died and didn't stay dead; if it was flesh that died then it was flesh that was raised again.
Jesus’ soul did go into the oblivious condition of death, into sheol. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10) The Prophet Isaiah writes concerning him that “he poured out his soul to death”; his soul was made “an offering for sin.” (Isaiah 53:12,10) It was essential that Jesus thus give his human life, his human soul, in order for the human race to be redeemed from death. It was because Jesus took the sinner’s place in sheol, in death, that an will be awakened from death and given an opportunity to live forever — “As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” — 1 Corinthians 15:22; see also: Romans 5:12-19; Acts 2:27; Acts 2:31.
Thus, when he was raised from the dead, his soul, his sentiency, was no longer of the bodily glory that is a little lower than the angels, but his bodily glory was that of a spiritual body, and he was exalted to a bodily glory far above the angels. -- Ephesians 1:17-23; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18,22.
See my study:
Jesus Died a Human Being -- Raised a Spirit Being
reslight.net/?p=5
One has claimed, regarding Jesus having a physical body in heaven, that Jesus said does a spirit have flesh and bone as you see I have.
See my hands and my feet, that it is truly me. Touch me and see, for a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones, as you see that I have." - (Luke 24:39)
If Jesus was saying that he was not a spirit in being, then he would certainly not have been God Almighty, since God Almighty is spirit in being. (John 4:24; Colossians 1:15) Thus, if one believes that Jesus was disclaiming being a spirit being in Luke 24:39, one has call upon the imagined and assumed dual natures theory of Jesus (or hypostatic union theory) and then imagine and assume that when Jesus said the words in Luke 24:39, that it was not the alleged Supreme Being Jesus who spoke, but rather that it was the alleged human being Jesus that spoke.
First we should know that Jesus certainly could raise his body for the appearances in the locked room; however, there is no scripture that says that Jesus arose in his human body from the grave. Nevertheless, Jesus being dead and in the oblivious realm of sheol/hades while he was dead, could not raise his body until after his God had raised him from death. ( Acts 2:24; 3:13,15,26; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40; 13:34,37; 17:31; Romans 4:24; 6:10; 8:11; 10:9; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 15:15; 2 Corinthians 4:14; 13:4; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 2:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; Hebrews 5:7; 1 Peter 1:21) Jesus, in being raised from the grave, was given a body by his father as is true of all who are to be raised from the dead in the last day. (1 Corinthians 15:35-38) Jesus is not still a human being a little lower than the angels. (Hebrews 2:9) Jesus is no longer in the “days of his flesh.” (Hebrews 5:7) He is now a “life-giving spirit”. — 1 Corinthians 15:45, New American Standard translation.
Of course, spirit beings usually do not have a flesh and bone body. However, angels, who are spirits (Hebrews 1:7,14; Psalm 104;4) have appeared many times with flesh bodies. In such cases they were not flesh, but they did manifest themselves in such a way that they were called “men,” even eating and drinking. Were they actually men? No. But in their appearance, in their manifestation, they were ‘men’. — Genesis 18:2; 19:1,8,12,15; Judges 6:11-22; 13:11,20; Joshua 5:13-15.
The word "spirit" is used with different shades of meaning in the Bible. What kind of spirit was Jesus speaking of in Luke 24:39? The context, as well as other scriptures helps to see that the disciples thought him to a certain kind of spirit, a "ghost" or "phantom" spirit. --Matthew 14:26; Mark 6:49; Luke 24:37.
These "spirits" are actually demon spirits who pretend to be the "ghost" of a dead person. The spirit beings had at one time materialized a kind of human body so as to marry women here on earth. These spirit beings, however, are no longer able to do this, else we would certainly see them doing so all around us. Jesus let his disciples know that he was not one of these spirits as they thought him to be, for such spirits cannot produce a body of flesh and bones as did Jesus.
The following is a list of some of the scriptures where the Greek word for "spirit" -- often transliterated as *pneuma* -- is used of demons: Matthew 8:16; 10:1; 12:43,45; Mark 1:23,26,27; 3:11,30; 5:2,8,13; 6:7; 7:25; 9:17,20,25; Luke 4:33,36; 6:18; 7:21; 8:2,55; 9:39,42; Luke 10:20; 11:24,26; Acts 5:16; 8:7; 16:16,18; 19:12,15,16; Ephesians 6:21; 1 Peter 3:19; Revelation 16:13,14.
I have a study online related to this:
jesus-rlbible.com/?p=215
It is claimed that it was the same Jesus that went into the grave came out of the grave.
This I agree with. Also it was the same Jesus who had been with the only true God before the world of mankind had been made through him (John 1:1-3,10: 17:1,3,5) that became flesh. (John 1:14) Although Jesus did not take the name "Jesus" until he became flesh, it was still him before he became flesh, while he was in the days of his flesh (Hebrews 5:7), and after the only true God exalted him far above all dominion (excluding the Most High himself). – Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4; 1 Peter 3:22.
It is claimed that although it was the same Jesus he was without blood after being raised.
Since the sentiency, life, soul, of the flesh is in its blood (Leviticus 17:11), Jesus did not mention blood, but he said his body was flesh and bone. Thus, the body was not actually his sentiency, but rather he, in effect, incarnated himself in that body in order to convince his disciples that it was really him. If Jesus had been still a human being, then, as defined in Psalm 8:4,5, he would still have been with bodily glory that is lower than the angels. Paul does not mix the celestial, spiritual, bodily glories with the terrestrial, physical, bodily glories, but shows that they are distinctly different. -- 1 Corinthians 15:39-41.
See my study:
With What Kind of Body Will We Be Raised?
life-rlbible.com/?p=1006
It is claimed that being raised up again from the dead means something died and didn't stay dead; if it was flesh that died then it was flesh that was raised again.
Jesus’ soul did go into the oblivious condition of death, into sheol. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10) The Prophet Isaiah writes concerning him that “he poured out his soul to death”; his soul was made “an offering for sin.” (Isaiah 53:12,10) It was essential that Jesus thus give his human life, his human soul, in order for the human race to be redeemed from death. It was because Jesus took the sinner’s place in sheol, in death, that an will be awakened from death and given an opportunity to live forever — “As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” — 1 Corinthians 15:22; see also: Romans 5:12-19; Acts 2:27; Acts 2:31.
Thus, when he was raised from the dead, his soul, his sentiency, was no longer of the bodily glory that is a little lower than the angels, but his bodily glory was that of a spiritual body, and he was exalted to a bodily glory far above the angels. -- Ephesians 1:17-23; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18,22.
See my study:
Jesus Died a Human Being -- Raised a Spirit Being
reslight.net/?p=5
