Post by ResLight on Feb 27, 2015 12:08:31 GMT -5
It is being claimed that "Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins to save all of us f4rom being cast into the lake of fire, if there is no real lake of fire, then Jesus died in vain."
My reply:
Jesus died to save mankind, not from the Lake of Fire (representing the second death), but from Hades (the death in Adam) -- Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22.
Mankind came under the first condemnation through Adam; all who come under the second condemnation do so by means of their own sin, not that of Adam. There is no more sacrifice for those who come under the second condemnation. -- Hebrews 10:26.
Nevertheless, if the penalty against Adam and his race had been conscious eternal suffering, Jesus would have had to suffer the same suffering for all eternity in order to pay this debt; but, because the "wages of sin is death," "Christ died for our sins," He tasted death for every man; "Christ also suffered for sins once [not for eternity]," and He "was raised from the dead." When Jesus was raised from the dead, he was not raised as a human living soul of flesh, but as a living spirit soul. -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4; Hebrews 2:9; Romans 5:6-10; Colossians 1:18; 1 Peter 3:18; Revelation 1:18.
God through Christ ransoms all, not from eternal torture or eternal conscious suffering, but "from the power of the grave [sheol]" (Hosea 13:14, King James Version). None, however, actually come forth from sheol/hades until Jesus calls them in the resurrection awakening at His Second Advent (John 14:3; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23, 52), when (and not previously) the apostle Paul and others receive their crowns of life and rewards. -- 2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 1:5; 5:4; Luke 14:14.
Eventually, "all that are in the tombs will hear his [Jesus'] voice, and will come forth" (John 5:28,29). When sheol/hades thus delivers up all who sleep in Adamic death, sheol/hades will forever cease to exist -- "O Grave, [sheol] I will be your destruction!" (New King James Version); "Death and hades [also the devil, the beast, the false prophet and the incorrigibly wicked] were thrown into the lake of fire [fire consumes; Jehovah's jealousy for his name and righteousness is represented as fire, which when kindled destroys -- Zephaniah 1:18; Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 32:16,17; 1 Kings 14:22; Ezekiel 5:13; 36:5], This [lake of fire] is [represents] the second death [utter, complete and eternal annihilation, from which none will ever be recovered]." -- Hosea 13:14; Revelation 19:20; 20:14, 15; 21:8; Galatians 6:8; Hebrews 6:4-8; 10:26-31; 12:29; 1 John 5:16; Jude 12, 13.
See my study on my website:
Did Jesus Die for Those Condemned to the Second Death?
My reply:
Jesus died to save mankind, not from the Lake of Fire (representing the second death), but from Hades (the death in Adam) -- Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22.
Mankind came under the first condemnation through Adam; all who come under the second condemnation do so by means of their own sin, not that of Adam. There is no more sacrifice for those who come under the second condemnation. -- Hebrews 10:26.
Nevertheless, if the penalty against Adam and his race had been conscious eternal suffering, Jesus would have had to suffer the same suffering for all eternity in order to pay this debt; but, because the "wages of sin is death," "Christ died for our sins," He tasted death for every man; "Christ also suffered for sins once [not for eternity]," and He "was raised from the dead." When Jesus was raised from the dead, he was not raised as a human living soul of flesh, but as a living spirit soul. -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4; Hebrews 2:9; Romans 5:6-10; Colossians 1:18; 1 Peter 3:18; Revelation 1:18.
God through Christ ransoms all, not from eternal torture or eternal conscious suffering, but "from the power of the grave [sheol]" (Hosea 13:14, King James Version). None, however, actually come forth from sheol/hades until Jesus calls them in the resurrection awakening at His Second Advent (John 14:3; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23, 52), when (and not previously) the apostle Paul and others receive their crowns of life and rewards. -- 2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 1:5; 5:4; Luke 14:14.
Eventually, "all that are in the tombs will hear his [Jesus'] voice, and will come forth" (John 5:28,29). When sheol/hades thus delivers up all who sleep in Adamic death, sheol/hades will forever cease to exist -- "O Grave, [sheol] I will be your destruction!" (New King James Version); "Death and hades [also the devil, the beast, the false prophet and the incorrigibly wicked] were thrown into the lake of fire [fire consumes; Jehovah's jealousy for his name and righteousness is represented as fire, which when kindled destroys -- Zephaniah 1:18; Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 32:16,17; 1 Kings 14:22; Ezekiel 5:13; 36:5], This [lake of fire] is [represents] the second death [utter, complete and eternal annihilation, from which none will ever be recovered]." -- Hosea 13:14; Revelation 19:20; 20:14, 15; 21:8; Galatians 6:8; Hebrews 6:4-8; 10:26-31; 12:29; 1 John 5:16; Jude 12, 13.
See my study on my website:
Did Jesus Die for Those Condemned to the Second Death?
