THE SON IS ALMIGHTY

If this is the Son who is speaking then the Son is He who sits on the throne, and the Son is also the lamb who takes the Scroll from the One sitting on the throne. Jesus would be taking the scroll from his own hand. Actually, the word "God" is left out the King James Version here.

Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." -- World English

The word "God", as well as the phrase "who is and who was and who is to come", identifies the one speaking as the unipersonal God of Revelation 1:1-5, who sits on the throne, and who is distinguished from Jesus.

See:
Revelation 1:1,8 and the Unipersonal God
Revelation 1:4 – Who Is, Was, To Come – Jesus?
Revelation 1:8 – Is Yahweh or Jesus Being Quoted?
Revelation 1:8 – The God of Jesus Speaks



This is definitely NOT Jesus speaking; it is John.


[/font]I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and,[/quote]

This part is spurious.

"Virtually all modern translations do not include in Rev 1:11 the following words that are in the KJV version of that verse:




The only other places where the phrase "Alpha and Omega" appear in the Bible are Revelation 1:8; 21:6; 22:13, all of which refer to the One who sits on the throne, who is identified in Revelation 1:1-5 as the unipersonal "God" who gives the Revelation to Jesus. Thus, the phrase "Alpha and Omega" is not used of Jesus.

See:
Revelation 21:6 – God Who Sits on the Throne
Revelation 22:13 – I am Alpha and Omega
Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last

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12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.[/quote]

The First and the Last here is definitely Jesus, since God was never dead.

See:
Revelation 1:17,18; 2:8 – The First and the Last
Revelation 2:8 – The First and the Last Was Dead

Again, there is nothing in any of these scriptures that present any concept of a triune God. "God" continues to be spoken of as one person or individual.

Not at all; see my studies:
Isaiah Saw His Glory
Thrice Holy





Yahweh is spoken here as one person.




Since there is no scripture that designates Jesus as being from everlasting to everlasting as his God, the term " who is and who was and who is to come" would not apply to Jesus.

See my studies regarding the assertion that Christ is "ETERNAL" at:
jesus.rlbible.com/?cat=81



Believe as you will; I believe the evidence is overwhelming that part of Revelation 1:11 is spurious. I do believe that in the age to come we will know what was added to text and what was not.

While I do not know of any other scripture that speaks of Jesus as being Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, I do believe that the terms could be applied to Jesus, but it would not be applied with the same meaning as applied to his God.

Not only was the prehuman Jesus the beginning, or Alpha -- but He was also the last, the Omega, of God's direct living creation, the prehuman Jesus being the only living creature that God directly brought forth. (Colossians 1:15) All else were made by means of the firstborn creature. The first and only begotten Son of Jehovah was given an exclusive place, so that by means of him all the rest of the living creatures were made. (Colossians 1:16) Thus the only true God highly honored Jesus as His agent in all the creative work related to both angels and men.

Jesus could further be stated to be the Alpha (First) and the Omega (Last) of the firstborn of the dead, since he is indeed the first and last of such. There will never be another one who will be the firstborn of the dead.

See my study:
Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last




The scriptures show that this is the unipersonal "Yahweh" of Isaiah 61:1 who is speaking. -- Psalm 96:13; 98:9: Isaiah 40:10; 62:11. Yahweh of Psalm 96:13; 98:9 is shown to be unipersonal by Acts 17:31, where Yahweh is referred as "he" and Jesus is referred to as the one whom Yahweh has ordained.

See my studies:
Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last
I am Alpha and Omega

How is my belief that Isaiah did see the glory of Jesus not in line with what John said?



While Yahweh has existed from eternity past, the expression, Alpha and Omega applied to him, does not in itself designate that Yahweh is from everlasting to everlasting, nor do the expressions, “the beginning and the end”, or “the first and the last”. Such an application can be made in that it could be stated that Yahweh is the beginning and end of all who have existed from eternity past. One could say that Yahweh is the beginning and the end of any who are uncreated, since there never has been, and never will be, another uncreated being. The expressions in themselves denote a uniqueness of whatever is being referred to, a "kind" of which cannot be applicable to anyone else.

Neither first, beginning, nor Alpha denote eternal past, but rather the beginning, the first of whatever is being spoken of. Likewise, neither last, ending, nor Omega mean the eternal future, but rather the "last" of whatever is being spoken of.


Yes, the God and Father of Jesus is not bound by time past, since He has always been; nor is he bound by the future, as though He will ever cease to be. Those who become immortal will also be unbound by the future, except that they will still dependent of the Almighty for their existence. Should the Almighty One cease to existence, all creation would cease to exist. As I have stated, however, the beginning and end, as applied to Yahweh, can only be applied to Yahweh as related to creation in that He is beginning, the first, of those who are uncreated, and that he is ending, last of those who are uncreated. This, however, does not restrict the uniqueness of application of "first and last" as could applied to another kind of uniqueness.



I have to disagree with this; the beginning of something does not necessarily designate that the one being said to be the beginning of whatever was already existing before that of which he is the beginning, and certainly not that the person had been eternally existing before the beginning being spoken of. "Beginning" denotes a beginning of something, "end" denotes the end of something. God could only be the beginning and the end as related to his being uncreated in that he is beginning of those who are uncreated and he is the end of those who are uncreated. He is uniquely the only that is uncreated, and will always be so.

www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/reshiyth.html
www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/arche.html

Although the expressions, Alpha and Omeaga, the beginning and the end is not used of Jesus, the expression "the first and last" is used of Jesus. As used of Jesus, it could mean that Jesus is the first and that last of those who were created directly by Yahweh. As used in Revelation 1:17 and Revelation 2:8, it is contextually connected to Jesus' having been dead and made alive never to die again, of which Jesus is the firstborn. If first and last means being eternal, such a meaning would mean that the first and the last could not die, but we read that the first and last was dead. Since Jesus is the first of those who are born from the dead, and since there will never be another firstborn, he is also the last of the firstborn from the dead. Likewise, since all the rest of the dead are raised through Jesus, Jesus is the first and the last of those whom Yahweh directly raises from the dead.



This would be true only if the word first means eternal past and the word last means eternal future; since these words do not mean such, the actuality is that the expression first and last can be applied to another to express uniqueness that is not related to being uncreated.



This would seem to contradict the first part of the statement, for it would use "beginning" and "end" as applied to others than He who is from everlasting to everlasting.



See also:
Revelation 1:8 – Is Yahweh or Jesus Being Quoted?
Revelation 2:8 – The First and the Last Was Dead
Revelation 1:1,8 and the Unipersonal God
Revelation 1:17,18; 2:8 – The First and the Last
Revelation 1:8 – The God of Jesus Speaks
Revelation 21:6 – God Who Sits on the Throne
Revelation 22:13 – I am Alpha and Omega

Since I believe that adoni in Isaiah 6:1 is the Isaiah's lord, that is, the Messiah, the above misrepresents what I said.

Nevertheless, Isaiah wrote much more that just Chapter six, and, as I presented on my website:





What I said was that the work that Jesus does reflects the glory of his God, Yahweh. This is what Jesus meant when he said, "He who has seen me has seen the Father." (John 14:9) Jesus was not talking about "seeing" in the sense of literally "seeing" with the eyes; he was not talking about looking upon his body of flesh. If this had been what he meant then the Jewish religious leaders had actually seen God walking about. However, Jesus said to them: "You have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his form." -- John 5:37.

Nevertheless, God's glory was indeed seen in Jesus by those who recognized him. -- John 1:14.

Adam, if he had remained obedient, could have also reflected that glory of God. -- Psalm 8:4,5; Romans 3:23; Hebrews 2:6-8.

See my study:
Seeing the Father in Jesus



That is not at all what I said.



And I do believe that Isaiah did indeed see the glory of Jesus.



Your misrepresentation of what I have said, like your misrepresentation of the Bible, is your own.



In other words, according to you, "beginning" does not mean "beginning" of something, but "beginner" and "end" does not the end of something, but the "ender". But that is not what it says, I have no reason to change God's Word to suit your ends. Yahweh is end the first, the beginning, and the last --- the end -- of all who are uncreated; he is also the first and last as the originator of creation; He is also first and last in determination of what the destiny of all creation will be. God, however, was not the first and last firstborn from the dead, who had died, and been brought back to life, never to die again.



What you are saying is that Jesus did not mean what he did say, but that he meant what you would change his words into in order to suit a doctrine that is no where at all to be found in the Bible. Jesus plainly tells that it was "the First and the Last who was dead", he did not say, "These things says the First and the Last who never dies, but who took on flesh, and that flesh died," and I have no scriptural reason to change Jesus words to mean such.



I agree that the title "First and Last" can be applied to both Jesus and the only true God, the God and Father of Jesus, but not with the same application. It can be applied to anyone who is uniquely first and last in some area. Only Yahweh, the God and Father of Jesus, is the First and Last who is the Supreme Being (the source of all might and authority), even as Jesus shows by his words: Matthew 20:23; Mark 10:40; John 10:29.