Post by ResLight on May 29, 2013 20:12:52 GMT -5
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Hosts will perform this. -- World English Bible translation.
Some have complained that the World English and some other translations do not have the defintite article “the”, especially before “Mighty God” and “Everlasting Father”. The Hebrew does not have the definite article, but I do believe that Jesus is a mighty one of power (EL GIBBOR), although I am not certain that the prophet meant this to be used in that manner.
Nevertheless, the Bible no where depicts the Son of God as being his God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, of whom he is the son. God, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that He, Yahweh (Jehovah), is the only true God, the God and Father of the Lord Jesus. Jesus has One who is the Supreme Being over him; Jesus is not his Supreme Being whom he worships, prays to, and who sent him, and whose will he carried out in willful obedience. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 4:4 (Deuteronomy 8:3; Luke 4:4); Matthew 4:7 (Deuteronomy 6:16); Matthew 4:10 (Exodus 20:3-5; Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 6:13,14; Deuteronomy 10:20; Luke 4:8); Matthew 22:29-40; Matthew 26:42; Matthew 27:46; Mark 10:6 (Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:7,20-23); Mark 14:36; Mark 15:34; Luke 22:42; John 4:3; John 5:30; John 6:38; John 17:1,3; John 20:17; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3,17; Hebrews 1:9; 10:7; 1 Peter 1:3; Revelation 2:7; Revelation 3:2,12.
God, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that Jesus was sent by Yahweh, speaks for Yahweh, represents Yahweh, and was raised and glorified by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus never claimed to be, nor do the scriptures present Jesus as, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom Jesus represents and speaks for. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 22:32; Matthew 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:35; Luke 20:37; John 3:2,17,32-35; John 4:34; John 5:19,30,36,43; John 6:57; John 7:16,28; John 8:26,28,38; John 10:25; John 12:49,50; John 14:10; John 15:15; John 17:8,26; John 20:17; Acts 2:22,34-36; Acts 3:13,22; Acts 3:13-26; 5:30; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Corinthians 11:31; Colossians 1:3,15; Colossians 2:9-12; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 1:1.
Isaiah 9:6 refers to a "name" (singular, not a series of names) that the promised Messiah, the son to be given by Yahweh, will be called by: “Pelejoezelgibborabiaadarshalom”, which has been given the meaning: "Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty, the everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace." (Isaiah 9:5, some editions of the Jewish Publication Society Translation) Thus, it is not necessary to read the phrase EL GIBBOR as having being a separate "title" or "name" applied to Jesus, but the above rendering would apply all of the expressions to the God and Father of Jesus. I believe that this application of the name is more in harmony with the context of who gives this son, that is, Yahweh. The son is "given" by Yahweh, who, in verse 7, is stated as performing this.
The application of this title, however, is to Messiah after he has been given as a son. There is no application of this title to Jesus in his prehuman existence. The context, however, shows that the application is in reference the Millennial age, when Jesus is to sit on the throne of David, and when the world is to be regenerated in the last day. -- Isaiah 9:7; Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 19:28; John 12:47,48.
Isaiah 9:6 is Isaiah 9:5 in the Jewish Publication Society version of the Bible:
For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom.
One name, not a series of names.
The Jewish Study Bible:
For a child has been born to us, a son has been given us. And authority has settled on his shoulders. He has been named “The Mighty God is planning grace; The Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler”—
This version also gives a translation of the singular name as a sentence being ascribed to the God of the Messiah, that is, to Yahweh (Jehovah), which is usually the case of such a name as given to person or thing.
That singular "name" in Isaiah 9:6, when applied as the scripture says it is, that is, as one singular name, not as series of names, should be given as such name is usually applied in the Old Testament, not as a series of names (plural), but as a sentence. Such names of persons or things are often describing Yahweh, not the person to whom the name is applied. Thus, the name given to the Messiah of Yahweh does not describe the Messiah to whom the name is given, but rather the God and Father of Messiah, He whom the Messiah came to declare. (Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22; John 1:18; 14:24; 15:15; 17:6,26; 1 John 5:20) All is "through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God." -- 1 Corinthians 8:6; Philippians 1:11.
Nevertheless, the expression "Mighty God" (el gibbor) is applicable to Jesus in a similar, but greater sense, as it was applicable to the Babylonish kings spoken of in Ezekiel 32:21, where the same expression in the plural is used. In that verse, the phrase is not translated as "Mighty Gods", but it is usually translated as something like, "The strong among the mighty." (King James Version) Applying a similar rendering to Isaiah 9:6 would give us "strong one among the mighty", or, if it is to be rendered as a separate title, "mighty one of power." Jesus is indeed a mighty one of power, having been given all the plenitude of might bodily that he needs to carry out the purposes of his God and Father. (Colossians 2:9,10) Jesus, since his resurrection, has also become the "everlasting father," "the life-giving spirit," since it is through, by means of, him that the human race is regenerated /made alive. (Matthew 19:28; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22,45) Those regenerated in this age are regenerated by tasting of the powers of the age to come (Hebrews 6:5), receiving the holy spirit as an earnest, a down payment of that which is to come. (2 Corinthians 1:21; 2 Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:14) None of this means that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the only true God who sent Jesus. -- John 17:1,3; Acts 3:13-20; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Ephesians 1:3.
For more related to this, see the studies:
Isaiah 9:6 – Father of Eternity
Isaiah 9:6 – Not a Series of Names
Isaiah 9:6 – The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father
Isaiah 9:6 – The Singular Name of the Son Given
Isaiah 9:6 and the Alleged Trinity
Isaiah 9:6 – A Singular Name
Isaiah 9:6,7 – The Singular Name
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Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Hosts will perform this. -- World English Bible translation.
Some have complained that the World English and some other translations do not have the defintite article “the”, especially before “Mighty God” and “Everlasting Father”. The Hebrew does not have the definite article, but I do believe that Jesus is a mighty one of power (EL GIBBOR), although I am not certain that the prophet meant this to be used in that manner.
Nevertheless, the Bible no where depicts the Son of God as being his God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, of whom he is the son. God, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that He, Yahweh (Jehovah), is the only true God, the God and Father of the Lord Jesus. Jesus has One who is the Supreme Being over him; Jesus is not his Supreme Being whom he worships, prays to, and who sent him, and whose will he carried out in willful obedience. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 4:4 (Deuteronomy 8:3; Luke 4:4); Matthew 4:7 (Deuteronomy 6:16); Matthew 4:10 (Exodus 20:3-5; Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 6:13,14; Deuteronomy 10:20; Luke 4:8); Matthew 22:29-40; Matthew 26:42; Matthew 27:46; Mark 10:6 (Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:7,20-23); Mark 14:36; Mark 15:34; Luke 22:42; John 4:3; John 5:30; John 6:38; John 17:1,3; John 20:17; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3,17; Hebrews 1:9; 10:7; 1 Peter 1:3; Revelation 2:7; Revelation 3:2,12.
God, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that Jesus was sent by Yahweh, speaks for Yahweh, represents Yahweh, and was raised and glorified by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus never claimed to be, nor do the scriptures present Jesus as, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom Jesus represents and speaks for. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 22:32; Matthew 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:35; Luke 20:37; John 3:2,17,32-35; John 4:34; John 5:19,30,36,43; John 6:57; John 7:16,28; John 8:26,28,38; John 10:25; John 12:49,50; John 14:10; John 15:15; John 17:8,26; John 20:17; Acts 2:22,34-36; Acts 3:13,22; Acts 3:13-26; 5:30; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Corinthians 11:31; Colossians 1:3,15; Colossians 2:9-12; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 1:1.
Isaiah 9:6 refers to a "name" (singular, not a series of names) that the promised Messiah, the son to be given by Yahweh, will be called by: “Pelejoezelgibborabiaadarshalom”, which has been given the meaning: "Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty, the everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace." (Isaiah 9:5, some editions of the Jewish Publication Society Translation) Thus, it is not necessary to read the phrase EL GIBBOR as having being a separate "title" or "name" applied to Jesus, but the above rendering would apply all of the expressions to the God and Father of Jesus. I believe that this application of the name is more in harmony with the context of who gives this son, that is, Yahweh. The son is "given" by Yahweh, who, in verse 7, is stated as performing this.
The application of this title, however, is to Messiah after he has been given as a son. There is no application of this title to Jesus in his prehuman existence. The context, however, shows that the application is in reference the Millennial age, when Jesus is to sit on the throne of David, and when the world is to be regenerated in the last day. -- Isaiah 9:7; Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 19:28; John 12:47,48.
Isaiah 9:6 is Isaiah 9:5 in the Jewish Publication Society version of the Bible:
For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom.
One name, not a series of names.
The Jewish Study Bible:
For a child has been born to us, a son has been given us. And authority has settled on his shoulders. He has been named “The Mighty God is planning grace; The Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler”—
This version also gives a translation of the singular name as a sentence being ascribed to the God of the Messiah, that is, to Yahweh (Jehovah), which is usually the case of such a name as given to person or thing.
That singular "name" in Isaiah 9:6, when applied as the scripture says it is, that is, as one singular name, not as series of names, should be given as such name is usually applied in the Old Testament, not as a series of names (plural), but as a sentence. Such names of persons or things are often describing Yahweh, not the person to whom the name is applied. Thus, the name given to the Messiah of Yahweh does not describe the Messiah to whom the name is given, but rather the God and Father of Messiah, He whom the Messiah came to declare. (Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22; John 1:18; 14:24; 15:15; 17:6,26; 1 John 5:20) All is "through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God." -- 1 Corinthians 8:6; Philippians 1:11.
Nevertheless, the expression "Mighty God" (el gibbor) is applicable to Jesus in a similar, but greater sense, as it was applicable to the Babylonish kings spoken of in Ezekiel 32:21, where the same expression in the plural is used. In that verse, the phrase is not translated as "Mighty Gods", but it is usually translated as something like, "The strong among the mighty." (King James Version) Applying a similar rendering to Isaiah 9:6 would give us "strong one among the mighty", or, if it is to be rendered as a separate title, "mighty one of power." Jesus is indeed a mighty one of power, having been given all the plenitude of might bodily that he needs to carry out the purposes of his God and Father. (Colossians 2:9,10) Jesus, since his resurrection, has also become the "everlasting father," "the life-giving spirit," since it is through, by means of, him that the human race is regenerated /made alive. (Matthew 19:28; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22,45) Those regenerated in this age are regenerated by tasting of the powers of the age to come (Hebrews 6:5), receiving the holy spirit as an earnest, a down payment of that which is to come. (2 Corinthians 1:21; 2 Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:14) None of this means that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the only true God who sent Jesus. -- John 17:1,3; Acts 3:13-20; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Ephesians 1:3.
For more related to this, see the studies:
Isaiah 9:6 – Father of Eternity
Isaiah 9:6 – Not a Series of Names
Isaiah 9:6 – The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father
Isaiah 9:6 – The Singular Name of the Son Given
Isaiah 9:6 and the Alleged Trinity
Isaiah 9:6 – A Singular Name
Isaiah 9:6,7 – The Singular Name
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